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10-01-2013 , 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by SwoopAE
Even though Brown's streak is longer, Maia has better and more impressive wins assuming they both win their next (Kim, Fitch, Story and Shields vs Condit, Mein, Swick, Pyle, Thompson and some cans)

Additionally, Rory Mac has a case to be number one contender if Hendricks wins since he won't fight GSP since he will have a streak of Diaz, Mills, Pyle, Penn, Ellenberger and Lawler

I feel like Maia is the most interesting matchup for GSP since he's a big WW with non-traditional wrestling takedowns since it's more BJJ based clinches and trips and throws and he has the best ground game out of anyone GSP has ever faced if GSP wants to lie in his guard for 5 rounds - obviously GSP's gameplan is stand, stuff takedowns and jab his way to victory but if Maia gets on top of him even once, GSP could be in trouble, plus if he gets hurt standing and takes Maia down there's a risk of being swept or subbed

Brown has a puncher's chance against GSP and will just get taken down and lightly GNP'd to a 50-45 and Rory won't fight him so Maia makes the most sense if GSP wins

If Hendricks wins, Rory probably has the best case plus backstory of 'you took the title from my friend, i'll avenge him' as a selling point plus the whole 'is rory a serial killer psycho' thing

I feel like if Brown finishes Condit impressively, GSP wins and Maia loses to shields or wins a boring decision he'll get the next shot, otherwise he'll fight Maia for number one contender if Hendricks wins and fight Rory for a title shot if GSP wins, assuming Rory beats Lawler which let's face it, he will

If Condit beats Brown it makes the most sense to make Condit/Rory 2 because of the back story and if Condit wins that he's earned another shot at GSP after Maia gets his
ya i agree with a lot of what ur saying, the 1 thing i disagree with tho is i think at some point gsp and rory will fight. it seems both of them say "i dont want to fight him" and not " i wont fight him" and i think they word it that way on purpose as they both know more then likely they r gonna have to fight. do u really believe rory would jus keep winning and never accept a title shot cuz his dear old friend gsp has the belt? no chance

how about if somehow rory wins the belt from either hendrix or maybe condit. do u really think gsp is gonna just keep fighting top 5 guys and never fite for the title again cuz his good friend rory has the belt? no chance. I dont agree a lot of times with what dana says, but i def agree with him on this. When the time comes gsp and rory will fight.

as far as matt brown, this guy is so overhyped and overvalued right now its unreal. look at this list of wins on this winstreak

chris cope(out of ufc)
stephen thompson(best win)
louis ramos(out of ufc)
mike swick(think this was his first fite back after 2 yr layoff)
jordan mein(decent win)
mike pyle(overvalued vet)

also i cant remember who it was, i think it was swick hurt brown real bad with a body shot and somehow didnt finish before brown came back to win by knockout


lol actually sect i jus convinced myself to book w/e it was u proposed 25-1 3 or more fites, 17-1 if he gets shot after condit win jus lmk how much and were bookd
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10-01-2013 , 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by mossified84

also i cant remember who it was, i think it was swick hurt brown real bad with a body shot and somehow didnt finish before brown came back to win by knockout
Mein was very close to finishing him,
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10-01-2013 , 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by mossified84
ya i agree with a lot of what ur saying, the 1 thing i disagree with tho is i think at some point gsp and rory will fight. it seems both of them say "i dont want to fight him" and not " i wont fight him" and i think they word it that way on purpose as they both know more then likely they r gonna have to fight. do u really believe rory would jus keep winning and never accept a title shot cuz his dear old friend gsp has the belt? no chance

how about if somehow rory wins the belt from either hendrix or maybe condit. do u really think gsp is gonna just keep fighting top 5 guys and never fite for the title again cuz his good friend rory has the belt? no chance. I dont agree a lot of times with what dana says, but i def agree with him on this. When the time comes gsp and rory will fight.

as far as matt brown, this guy is so overhyped and overvalued right now its unreal. look at this list of wins on this winstreak

chris cope(out of ufc)
stephen thompson(best win)
louis ramos(out of ufc)
mike swick(think this was his first fite back after 2 yr layoff)
jordan mein(decent win)
mike pyle(overvalued vet)

also i cant remember who it was, i think it was swick hurt brown real bad with a body shot and somehow didnt finish before brown came back to win by knockout


lol actually sect i jus convinced myself to book w/e it was u proposed 25-1 3 or more fites, 17-1 if he gets shot after condit win jus lmk how much and were bookd
When you actually type it out like that perhaps his wins aren't as impressive... but I have faith in the immortal one and will put up up to $100 on it at 17-1 if he gets the title shot after beating Condit... and 25-1 if he doesn't lose until he gets he wins the title.

The only back out would be if he retires/gets cut while undefeated and in that case I think the bet should be a push. I've done plentry of bets with SwoopAE and a few other guys in the MSNL sports threads and have had no issues.
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10-01-2013 , 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by elliot10181
Mein was very close to finishing him,
ah ty ya i jus remember him back peddling after a big body shot and holding his side, but ya mein makes sense
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10-01-2013 , 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Sect7G
When you actually type it out like that perhaps his wins aren't as impressive... but I have faith in the immortal one and will put up up to $100 on it at 17-1 if he gets the title shot after beating Condit... and 25-1 if he doesn't lose until he gets he wins the title.

The only back out would be if he retires/gets cut while undefeated and in that case I think the bet should be a push. I've done plentry of bets with SwoopAE and a few other guys in the MSNL sports threads and have had no issues.
sounds good, ive seen ur name around the sports thread so im not sweatn it i assume ur good for it, im fine with the above stuff including the push, will consider us bookd

glgl
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10-02-2013 , 12:50 AM
Can vouch for having made bets with sect7g with no hassles

Also @elliot thoughts on Dillashaw vs Assuncao? Is there value at -224 or not until -200 or so?
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10-02-2013 , 01:36 AM
Man I really like Dillashaw there. Also like a dec prop for him at +160, he isn't subbing Assuncao and I don't think he's gettin a KO either (Koch only one to KO Assuncao and has way more power and overall striking + bigger).

Also really really like Pierce ITD +135, might as well wait for KO prop though.

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10-02-2013 , 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by SwoopAE
Can vouch for having made bets with sect7g with no hassles

Also @elliot thoughts on Dillashaw vs Assuncao? Is there value at -224 or not until -200 or so?
probably shouldn't use the word vouch in that sentence, it can cause confusion and problems when someone thinks you are vouching, when really you're not vouching at all
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10-02-2013 , 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by SwoopAE
Can vouch for having made bets with sect7g with no hassles

Also @elliot thoughts on Dillashaw vs Assuncao? Is there value at -224 or not until -200 or so?
I think he'll take the fight so even at -224 it's pretty good.

I'm tempted by the ITD at +170 the Alpha guys are so confident right now and finishing in pretty much every fight. Would assume a KO/TKO with the way his strikings looked in last couple of fights.

(you know I'm biased though)
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10-02-2013 , 02:18 PM
Assuncao is tough to KO. Dillashaw's been KO people but none of them are any good, certainly not Assuncao's level. I see a decision here either way.
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10-03-2013 , 07:28 AM
Hugo Viana is good. The rest not so much

And yeah that's just a 'never had problems in $50-200 bets made with sect7g with no escrow' statement, take that for whatever its worth
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10-03-2013 , 04:35 PM
Rothwell tested positive for elevated testosterone. So his win is now a NC. What do most sportbooks do when this happens?

I had some money on Vera.

Any chance of getting any money back or outta luck?

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10-03-2013 , 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by TheAsianPlayboy
Rothwell tested positive for elevated testosterone. So his win is now a NC. What do most sportbooks do when this happens?

I had some money on Vera.

Any chance of getting any money back or outta luck?
Just curious how that works with bets with random people on the internet etc. I too had money on Vera... but don't think I'd be entitled to it and wouldn't care so long as Vera never steps foot in the octagon again.
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10-03-2013 , 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by TheAsianPlayboy
Rothwell tested positive for elevated testosterone. So his win is now a NC. What do most sportbooks do when this happens?

I had some money on Vera.

Any chance of getting any money back or outta luck?
Unfortunately no chance as you're payed on the official results instantly. It makes sense as those who were paid out for a Rothwell win aren't likely to return their winnings to the site.
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10-03-2013 , 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by TheAsianPlayboy
Rothwell tested positive for elevated testosterone. So his win is now a NC. What do most sportbooks do when this happens?

I had some money on Vera.

Any chance of getting any money back or outta luck?
Plus it wasn't even the athletic commission that is suspending him. UFC is doing a self imposed suspension. I don't even know if the win will be overturned to a NC.

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10-04-2013 , 06:59 AM
What is it with everyone juicing against Vera

I wonder if this means he gets yet another shot
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10-04-2013 , 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by SwoopAE
What is it with everyone juicing against Vera

I wonder if this means he gets yet another shot
LOL. I know.

Did they even cut him in the first place (after his last fight but before the Rothwell news came out)? I don't think they did.
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10-04-2013 , 05:02 PM
Speaking of Rothwell, did you guys ever see that video of him beating up that fat kid in the red t-shirt back in 1999? It was Rothwell's first amateur fight.

He was 17 years old.

Also, you might recognize the referee.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9r2GAAaiKs
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10-04-2013 , 05:18 PM
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Speaking of Rothwell, did you guys ever see that video of him beating up that fat kid in the red t-shirt back in 1999? It was Rothwell's first amateur fight.

He was 17 years old.

Also, you might recognize the referee.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9r2GAAaiKs
Was that a young Roy Nelson he was fighting? Lol
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10-04-2013 , 05:34 PM
Klitschko is like -300 on betfair or something (my odds are shown another way).
Povetkin does not have the KO punch to end Wladimir and his only hope here is to get a shady decision and that's while being somewhat competitive and avoiding getting ktfo.

Real good bet.
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10-04-2013 , 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by mmanpoker
Plus it wasn't even the athletic commission that is suspending him. UFC is doing a self imposed suspension. I don't even know if the win will be overturned to a NC.

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The win will stand, but if the fight had taken place in Nevada (rather than Wisconsin), it would have been changed to a No Contest and he would have been suspended for 9 months.

Wisconsin only recently began regulating MMA and they have nothing in their regulations regarding suspensions.

They weren't able to do anything stronger than write him a letter. Even if he had the highest levels in history, the result would have been the same.
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10-04-2013 , 07:23 PM
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The win will stand, but if the fight had taken place in Nevada (rather than Wisconsin), it would have been changed to a No Contest and he would have been suspended for 9 months.

Wisconsin only recently began regulating MMA and they have nothing in their regulations regarding suspensions.

They weren't able to do anything stronger than write him a letter. Even if he had the highest levels in history, the result would have been the same.
Being from Wisconsin I am aware that they just started regulation last year but I wasn't aware that they didn't have a suspension system in place.

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10-04-2013 , 10:23 PM
The story on Rothwell doing TRT was released before the fight anyway, surely UFC should have looked into it before hand?

I'm glad they didn't though because that "Rothwell Shuffle" had me in stitches!
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10-05-2013 , 11:20 AM
ha, i thought the ufc heavyweight division was pretty thin, then i watchd bellator last nite and kongo fight some glorified bar fighter named godbeer in the semifinals of "the toughest tourny in sports" loooooooooooool

lol and did ne1 see lavar johnson get flattend and then almost fight the ref thinking it was his opponent
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10-05-2013 , 11:30 AM
lol didn't see it, heard about him gettin KO by a semi-can though. Nearly faded him on principle even though I knew nil about his opponent, regret not doing so at +235 or whatever.
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