I think Brown might have worked Hardy anyways. Better chin and more power.

Didn't realize Jansen had closed as a dog or I'd have probably bet him.

Chandler is gonna be like -550 against him though.

I think Hardy would have beaten Brown

Now I don't really care who wins but will probably cheer for Brown

I'll be going with Mein, was very impressed with his debut could be a future champ

I have matched Mein fight many times and have NEVER thought he was championship caliber. tough solid fighter but a long way from title contention.

Mein has lost to Woodley, High and most damningly, Ricci. Granted he's still young and improving but i don't think he's ready for top 10 guys yet

Not top10 yet but he'll be able to handle Matt Brown.

He's only 23 and showed incredible maturity in the Miller fight, fighters generally don't peak till 27-28

I may be wrong but feel he is one to watch

(losses to High and Ricci were when he was 19/20 yo so not really relevant now) and a split decision loss to woodley at this point in his career isn't terrible.

He's no ordinary 23-year-old fighter though. He's been fighting pro for 6-7 years and has 35 fights.

GSP, for example, on his 23rd birthday was only 6-0.

Anderson Silva was 2-0.

BJ Penn was 3-0.

Fedor was 0-0 and was over-the-hill within a decade.

Of course it may be wrong to compare heavyweights with welterweights. They might age quicker.

Urijah Faber started at 24 and 9 years and 33 fights later, he seems better than ever and will still never be UFC champ.

I am just saying if Mein looked this good at age 23 but only had 12 fights under his belt instead of 35, I would be much more impressed and think he had much more potential.

boxing is filled with examples of very young fighters losing a bunch at 16-21 and then becoming worldbeaters.

It's used to build experience.

Jordan Mein has looked sharp in his last 5 or so fights. I like him as a future top10 prospect.

The reason those guys had such short records at 23 is because the sport didn't really offer the opportunities to fight. There were very few shows and tiny talent pool back in late 90's. It's quite common for a boxer or kickboxer to have a huge amateur record before he turns pro, and this is the first generation of MMA athletes who have grown up with the sport available to the same extent.


I feel at WW you can fight much longer and his body will be physically mature as he hits his late 20's. The HW division definitely adds miles to the clock, Struve is also young but due to the damage he's taken I'm not sure he'll ever reach the potential he had. The broken jaw and the numerous KO's will have some impact later on.

WSOF2 live weigh-in video starts in 42 minutes.

http://www.mmafighting.com/2013/3/22...weigh-in-video

In before Rumble "miscalculates" again and comes in at 268.

It would be so funny if Rumble missed weight.

Could he weigh more than 220? I'd be shocked.

Would be hilarious,

I think he'll be 230+, will be interesting to see how he fights without the ridiculous weight cut.

Good points.

I guess all I am trying to say is, after 35 fights, Mein has probably plugged most of the leaks he will ever plug. If he was looking this good at age 23 but with only maybe 10-12 fights and 2-3 years experience under his belt, then I would assume he had a lot more potential than he currently does.

If he ever beats someone like Pierce, Kim or Koscheck (or better) then I'll be a believer.

Technically I think you're right, most leaks will have gone.

I'm thinking more about the physical/strength changes between 23-28 he'll grow into his body and be far more powerful and dangerous as he hits his late 20's. That should help a lot with his ability to stuff take downs.

True. I like him. I hope you're right.

Top ten I can see. Title holder seems far fetched. He is only a few months younger than Rory. Plus he is good at everything, but not great at anything. He is also limited athletically as was obvious in the Woodley fight. Mein will be a solid, fun guy to watch for years but proclaiming someone a tilte contender after beating Dan Miller seems a bit much. Don't forget how close Miller was to finishing Mein.

it got delayed for some reason. just starting now.

http://wsof.com/livecast.php

rumble weighed ... 230.2

arlovski ... 245.5

Rumble up to +110 on a few sites....idk I guess the weight difference has something to do with it? Was anyone suprised that Arlovski came in bigger than Rumble? Thought it was to be expected.

Both sides have good points on Mein. He looks like top 10 material for sure, I mean finishing Dan Miller like that is just so impressive. I'm not sure he will ever be a good enough grappler to be a champion though. Anteater is right that there's a fallacy people have with young fighters that they will just improve and improve when in reality Mein, a veteran of 35 or whatever fights, may actually be near his ceiling. But elliott's also right that he may not be at his physical peak.

i dont understand how anthony johnson is in the + i feel like im missing something here?

Going with Rumble and Dave Branch.

...Cmon you have to fade the guy that almost missed his flight due to a panic attack or whatever right?

quick picks - win amount @ line:

arlovski to win 1 unit @ -105
U 1.5R arlovski/johnson to win 1 unit @ -130
filho to win 2/3 unit @ +190
U 2.5R filho/branch to win 2/3 unit @ -160
Gaethje to win 1 unit @ -145


parlays:
1/6 unit to win 3 units (burkman/simpson, gaethje/JZ, Branch/filho <-- all U 2.5R) @ +1764
1/6 unit to win 4 units (johnson, burkman, dollar) @ +2473
1/6 unit to win 4.5 units (arlovski, nam, jz, filho) @ +2558

not too scientific... mostly for the sweat ^^ most confident bet being arlovski...