lol, did Jason just bite the guys finger?wtf!!

Letss GOO Cub, pls don't get subbed, you are better than that!!!!

I totally forgot Cub had a black belt in BJJ

I like my side even more now. Let's do this.

Swanson looked good for 95% of the round then gets caught in a sub standing and saved by the bell

No clinches please

It was a clear Swanson round until the last minute but I guess even though it was a 3-1 strike ratio that Ortega gets r1 because Cub was saved by the bell in the sub?

Get back to the grind Cub, as long as you keep it standing you win

Pretty much what I expected I think if Cub avoids getting submitted he wins

Yuck, that went the other most likely outcome - Ortega losing the fight until he wins by submission

Annoying, 0-1 for the card for the loss

Ortega has amazing BJJ but he is drawing beyond dead against Edgar and Holloway unless he can get a standing sub

Ortega's BJJ is phenomenal though maybe second only to Maia, two sub attempts in a fight he was losing and they both would have been finished if not for the bell

Is this **** rigged or what? I mean Cub can't be this ****ing dumb can he? The only way Ortega wins is if he clinches, Cub sees it happen in the 1st, so naturally anyone would stay away from clinch but what does Cub do in R2, he stays in the clinch, not once does he try and break, I mean wtf?

Then when the 1 arm goes around his neck, he can easily fight the other hand but doesn't? I mean you need 2 hands to finish the choke, this **** is rigged!

Sometimes this **** seems rigged, I mean he looked like he already gave up, possible they just fight for paycheck don't give 2 ****s if they win or lose.

Nah I mean i've seen fights that 'look' rigged before that this wasn't even close. Cub's never had the best fight IQ, it's just a shame his submission defense wasn't up to par today, for a BJJ black belt falling into 2/2 submissions that would have been finished in 2 attempts is pretty awful. Cub was wrecking him standing as expected, just Ortega went for the submissions standing and Cub didn't defend well. It sucks but it happens

I will fade Ortega all the way to the belt, although I may start hedging with Ortega by submission against some guys. He has some seriously nasty BJJ though even better than I thought but his standup is drawing dead against the top 10 in the division.

Super frustrating though because the fight played out in a similar manner to what I expected and one would think with Ortega being unable to take Cub down he can avoid the submission on the feet over half the time, but apparently not.

Balla called it w Ortega Swanson... Like everyone else, I was in the same camp, too much for Ortega (and it was in the standup) but the dude just finds a way to win.

Loaded up on Ponz to beat Mike Perry at 1.61.

Great style match up for Ponzibbio. Think he picks apart Perry for three rounds a very large percentage of the time.

Went 0-1 for -2.15 units.

Single - Demetrious Johnson v TJ Dillashaw
Demetrious Johnson - Fight Betting
Odds: 8/11
1 lines at £140.00 per line
Total Stake for this bet: £140.00
Potential Return:£241.82


Any one know if the above fight is happening (Saturday 30th December listed ) this year? added to the Holly Cyborg card?

Edit: Cody had Tj in all kinds of trouble, Demetrious is whole other levels above Cody, so smashing him up is not some thing to cry home about. Demetrious is a rare dude in the cage, in the top three all time easily, along with Anderson.S

MightyMouse got ragdolled by Cruz, at what weight is this fight?

I guess they could do it at a middle ground weight (between 125lb and Tj's 135lb) of 130lb? and the fight result not impact their belts?

So they would get to fight each other but what ever the outcome they keep their Flyweight, Bantamweight tittles.

Else TJ can lose ten lb and come down to 125lb

Possible folks missing the forest for the trees on Ortega. He is getting better every time out. Six fights in the UFC, six finishes, in a variety of ways (one overturned). At 145 lbs, that is unreal. Two KOs, so not just a choke artist. Chokes from this back, an RNC, and now a standing/jumping guillotine. Two BJJ black belts before Cub. Brandao probably more decorated than Ortega.

Personally I think we have a physical marvel who is still getting better.

I think Holly is going to beat Cyborg, its a number of factors I have mulled it over.

Cyborg didn't look a trillion dollars vs Tonya Evinger who to be fair is no light the world on fire girl, tough yes. impressive I don't think so and Cyborg was laborious and seen to be out of breath a little.

Tonya she has no punches followed up by kicks, no development. just a tough lady that will walk you down.

In that fight there was a preference from Cyborg to be on the feet.

There was a moment in the fight when Rogan said out loud and was incorrectly corrected by Dominic cruz.

"Do you think Germaine de Randamie is sitting at home watching this thinking...". Cruz... yeah she is, she is sitting at home thinking how I didn't have enough courage. Id be upset with my self to. Some thing along those lines.

That's not what Rogan was saying, he could see it and I can see it too. Rogan was seeing and about to say how open Cyborg would be to some one like Germaine, and in her place we can put Holly.

Holly is the better fighter, if the same Cyborg comes into the cage which fought Tonya Evinger. Holly wins.

Cyborg would be an easier fight than Germaine de Randamie for example.
Cyborg does not have the same cardio and had to gulp for air vs a lady she was mean to easily outclass and beat.

Holly for every minute she was out against Bethe Correia, she was pacing, moving, and in the actual fight she did a number of things that impressed me, she kept range, she feinted well, she circled nicely, a constant stream of movement, this upset Bethe who admittedly lost her cool and presence of fight opening her self up to a lovely placed head kick.

Cyborg core strength is her upper body, she is a powerhouse with great right hand which can set up but it has to be against stationary targets she has either up against the cage or has already hurt and are retreating.

This is not a men's heavy weight fight but a women's Bantamweight & Cyborg has to be exceptional careful on the feet vs a movement machine (primarily a boxer.. but evolved into mma after a pro record, 33 wins 2 losses) with not just very good but really refined boxing first and foremost.

Plus as missed in my above points, she has a gold standard patience and mental game, she builds up the picture in her mind about which strikes work,

She understand were the wall of brutality sits and she puts her face just on it, pushes it backwards and forwards to her advantage. what movement, what tactic to employee, she can take a punch. Walking down holly on the feet is like walking down a Barbour's razor blade you have to be careful with her because she is working on options constantly.

If you put in a fully brazilin "fed" Cyborg, same way as Aldo the blitz(s) would be extremely dangerous, but clean stand up 5rds I like Holly here a lot, a huge amount.

@ +300 I am looking for reasons why Holly is not an obvious play,

Holly is 36 and Cyborg is 32, but I have questions over Cyborgs ability to handle a fit mover striker of Hollys pedigree. Put the fight in the late 3rd round after Cyborg has eaten a number of awful to the gut or side push off kicks.

This is one of those fights in which the more it goes on you know which fighter is going to have the advantage, example there is zero chance this gets to the 4th or 5th round and Cyborg wins imo, her chance is early and she will have being KO'ed there for her in the 4th and 5th.


How is Cyborg going to get Holly into her wheel house that's the question, Can Cyborg snap win this by taking it to the ground, Holly a Blue Belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu , you would have to imagine as well versed in ground game as top, and could even have an advantage with longer limbs if they fall to the ground the wrong way, Holly has an impressively body, her core is second to none, her fight movement and striking match her form beautiful.

Cyborg is a hunter killer but I think here she is the prey and past her sell by date.

Did Holly have a difficult time with similar Bethe Correia. (last fight June 17, 2017)... was it difficult for her. No it wasn't, and Bethe is similar in shape to Cyborg.

Also look at Hollys last few "loses".... great so she loses three times vs Miesha Tate (5th round.sub.) another two full 5rd fights decisions vs Valentina Shevchenko and iron lady Germaine de Randamie.

A d loss over 5 full.... you might as well change that to a 0 result or at least just some thing to add to the CV as a positive.

So a tremendous mover striker that is legit still going deep into fights vs the worlds best, has advantages in striking and movement (cardio) and the fight is 5rounds,

This fight is being called wrong by the bookies and is based on the hysteria about Cris Cyborg,


seeing +300 on holly, I don't see it, I see this as just as much a dangerous fight for Cyborg as it is for Holly (if she loses concentration).

If this fight gets out of the 1st and 2nd round which I suspect Holly will aim to do, all the while collecting information about Cyborg, the 3rd will be the deciding round as to who will win this. Holly is a big strong girl (see face off below) with a huge record of fights to reference leading into this.

Cyborg is not going to have any Mike Tyson leverage power advantage and off the juice stepping in with Holly I think is the wrong fight for her, where is her path to victory actually?

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Single - Cris Cyborg v Holly Holm
Holly Holm - Fight Betting
Odds: 3/1
1 lines at £200.00 per line
Total Stake for this bet: £200.00
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Cris Cyborg v Holly Holm - Round Betting (5 Rounds)
Holly Holm to Win in Round 5
35/1

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Cris Cyborg v Holly Holm - Round Betting (5 Rounds)
Holly Holm to Win in Round 4
25/1

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Cris Cyborg v Holly Holm - Round Betting (5 Rounds)
Holly Holm to Win in Round 3
22/1

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This is a really good fight to finish off the year, I am interested to see how it plays out, I think holly is good enough and mentally strong enough to implement her game plain and take advantages she will have in the 4th and 5th including a possibility to finish the fight ITD, the over 1.5rds prop is fine

How / why would Holm win in the 4th or 5th round?

I don't think that was overlooked, I think that was priced in. Nobody said Cub was a lock. If you looked at them strictly on the basis of their resumes, Cub probably should have been like -180. The fact that it was essentially a pick'em reflects the facts that 1.) Ortega is young and improving, and 2.) Cub has already peaked as a fighter and is in the process of declining.

Hey guys
I am also with Holm but i think im gonna wait a bit, i think i can get better price than +300
like the late round props too

Cub/Ortega was a matter of Ortega had to finish him to win because Ortega does not win rounds well because his standup is bad for a top 15 fighter and so is his offensive wrestlers. He has some power (although lacks the technique of an elite fighter) and has elite offensive BJJ as we've seen. Any Ortega pickers definitely should have taken Ortega SUB or ITD if they wanted to be conservative about it - I considered hedging by Ortega sub (not tko as Cub's chin is fine/good) but felt Cub would be hard to submit standing and hard to take down. Obviously Cub won the standup, but he got caught in two very impressive subs. I can't imagine Ortega beating Edgar, Aldo or Holloway though short of fluke sub and even if he somehow wins one of them there's no way he retains the belt against the other two without drastically improving his standup - without the sub attempt at the end of r1 he would have lost 7 of the last 9 rounds he has fought not including the rounds he got a finish in. Yes, his offensive grappling is amazing but he doesn't have a path to a decision against any top 5 fighters (including Cub) he needs to finish them and it's only going to get tougher from here. Will fade him against every contender to the belt. Honestly i'd snap fade him against Chad Mendes coming off steroids AND a multiple year layoff at evens let alone Edgar/Aldo/Holloway. Granted he will be a dog in each fight so some sub props may be worth looking at, in the Holloway fight a 'doesnt go distance' prop seems like a lock as he can't take the punishment Max will dish out for 5 rounds and also he has a slim chance of a standing submission of some sort. I'm down to watch it though, he's earned his shot after Edgar has his (or before if Edgar isn't healthy quickly like he said he'd be)

Re: Holly +300 I agree it may be the value side but will wait, and I don't mind the later round/dec props as if she wins it'll be late or a decision due to superior conditioning and Cyborg gassing post-steroids (she showed some cardio issues in her last fight, and was mostly fighting cans before that + is probably off steroids now after a career on them so she'll get better before she gets worse)

Holm will struggle to TKO her unless she's gassed though because Holm does not have a lot of power in her hands, her best guess would be to hurt her with a kick after she's gassed, or to win r3-4-5 once Cyborg slows. Obviously don't count Cyborg out though she could easily hulk-smash Holly in the first, Holly has never faced someone who hits like Cyborg does with that power and the most likely result is still imo a Cyborg early finish in the first 2 rounds, but if Holm makes it to the third with her face intact she's got a good shot to win it. I'll wait and see what the props look like and odds closer to fight day.

Balla, the TJ/MM fight is going to be at 125 for the belt, TJ is dropping down to fight for it and has already started dropping muscle mass and plans to drop 6.5 lbs of muscle mass and cut the rest. Honestly I like his chances - TJ is a solid wrestler, not as good as Cruz (Cruz ragdolled MM granted MM wasn't as good as he is now) but TJ is still tough to take down, Cruz got him in some transitions and MM could get him down but TJ will be the bigger stronger guy and MM has never faced a fighter with striking as technical as TJ's, again Cruz is the best example followed by maybe Benavidez and Horiguchi but TJ is on another level to those two and is a much bigger and more powerful guy than either of them and has fast hands and solid head kicks. I think the fight is a pickem at 125 and lean TJ at 130+ and will bet TJ if he's a dog. It's going to be one of the highest quality MMA fights ever in terms of the combined skill of the two fighters along with TJ vs Cruz and Cody vs TJ and Cruz vs Cody, I could watch those four guys fight in any combination of matchups forever and they even have guys like Jimmie Rivera waiting, 135 is stacked and 125 is empty other than MM (Cejudo and Benavidez are legit but neither is ever going to beat MM so i'd rather see him fight the best at 135 and see if he can beat them; if he can he really is the P4P GOAT as he's smaller than all of them)

Hoping Rockhold moves in so I can get Whittaker at -150 or something. If Rockhold gets him down he'll probably get the sub, but Whittaker has the best TDD in the division and fast, powerful hands. Rockhold will not fare well against an accurate pressure fighter with TDD who can throw hands. Pretty awesome the MW division is unclogged now and we can see all of the killers fight each other - although if Whittaker wins, he's basically cleaned them out except for Weidman as he's already beaten Romero, Jacare and Brunson


On to Bellator HWGP

Anyone else tempted by Fedor vs Mir as a dog? Yeah, Fedor is past his prime and kind of sucks now but Frank Mir has one of the worst chins at HW and Fedor's submission defense is solid and while Mir's boxing is way better than it used to be to the extent that his offense may be better than Fedor's now, one punch from Fedor and Mir will go full turtle.

Mitrione should beat Nelson in the rematch, Nelson's declined and Mitrione's improved but not willing to lay the vig as a fav since Mitrione is probably the dumbest fighter at HW and he has the submission defense of a peanut and a chin that can be cracked. Roy's chin has faded and he's not a real HW but his chin is still better than Mitrione's. Going to leave this one alone probably.

Bader seems like a super lock against King Mo. Mo isn't better at anything than Bader, Bader has better hands and is a slightly better wrestler and throws more volume. I guess Bader's chin is probably slightly worse, but it's not like Mo is a K1 level striker. Bader by decision seems like the obvious play here. Bader could knock him out, but if I can get Bader dec at +100 or better i'll play it.

Sonnen vs Rampage is a total wild card, fat Rampage who doesn't care anymore and is out of shape vs Chael 'oops I got submitted again this time by Tito Ortiz in 2017' Sonnen. Chael by decision with a small hedge on Rampage by KTFO seems like the obvious play if the odds allow it. Will wait for props and weigh ins and then either play Chael dec or Rampage TKO. I suppose Chael could submit him but it's unlikely given Rampage has only been subbed by roided Jones and Sakuraba forever ago.

It's a weird tournament consisting of Bader who is a LHW and guys who are overrated or washed up or LHWs or all of the above. I guess Bader or Mitrione should win in theory as they're the only guys still in their prime but anything is possible, anyone could win it.

Prophetic Balla again

Nice Laotian KO too Mr Jim.

Sorry but.....

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More pointing toward the notion that fading him in the future is the play.

Everyone that fights him (and I fell victim to this earlier) seems to make a big mistake. Otherwise, they'd win. Right? What I'm realizing with this guy is that you can't make a mistake at any time in the fight. Be it KO or sub, that first mistake is your last.

To beat him you must fight a perfect fight from opening bell to final horn. That's a lot to ask of anyone.

The huge difference between him and guys like Charles Oliviera or Maia is that chin. He just keeps stalking like a pressure boxer. Never mind that his boxing just keeps getting better. Cub was winning the exchanges but not by a wide margin. This is not the same guy that lost boxing exchanges with Clay Guida.