dude's a sociopath not shocked remember the prefight im gonna stab you threat he made a couple years back

like what i saw from horch vs khabib he was winning rd1 handidly til the takedown even stuffed khabib early and wobbled him slightly obv khabib's grappling is still top notch and he showed no ill effect of the injuries as i thought there was a chance the burst might be gone in his attempts

rashad has always been hittable so im not sure that means he's done his losses are to the healthier younger version of himself and a ko machine i think him vs lil nog/cummins loser will be more telling

glover is smart because rumble can be ko'd but also glover has great takedowns if he cant stand with rumble

surprised how easily dodson and ponz ko's were vs super durable guys

also @jim i dont think you could pay me enough money to ever say londt would beat silva and wilnis in the same night and look like the better fighter in both fights

I really thought that Rashad would be able to hang in with Glover for at least a few rounds if not go the distance. I got greedy with all those round props and overs in the main event and lost half my very healthy profit to that point. Nevertheless, big wins from Mike Graves, Mutante and Ponz made the night for me and a decent few hundred bucks profit in any case for +5.78 units.

UFC on Fox 19 Results

Glover Teixeira (-195) vs Rashad Evans $390.00 for $200.00= $200.00
Glover Teixeira/Rashad Evans starts round 2 (-415) $415.00 for $100.00= -$415.00
Glover Teixeira/Rashad Evans starts round 3 (-216) $108.00 for $50.00= -$108.00
Glover Teixeira/Rashad Evans Over 3½ (-145) $145.00 for $100.00= -$145.00
Glover Teixeira wins by 5 round decision (+237) $75.00 for $177.75= -$75.00
Glover Teixeira wins by 5 round unanimous decision (+325) $35.00 for $113.75= -$35.00
Glover Teixeira wins by 5 round split/majority decision (+831) $25.00 for $207.75= -$25.00

Rose Namajunas (-165) vs Tecia Torres $330.00 for $200.00= $200.00
Rose Namajunas wins by submission (+285) $40.00 for $114.00= -$40.00
Rose Namajunas/Tecia Torres Under 2½ (+190) $75.00 for $142.50= -$75.00
Live In-Play Tecia Torres (+165) vs Rose Namajunas $200.00 for $330.00= -$200.00
Live In-Play Rose Namajunas (-170) vs Tecia Torres $340.00 for $200.00= $200.00

Khabib Numagomedov/Darrell Horcher Under 2½ (+110) $100.00 for $110.00= $110.00
Khabib Nurmagomedov wins inside distance (-103) $77.25 for $75.00= $75.00
Khabib Nurmagomedov wins by submission (+400) $25.00 for $100.00= -$25.00

Hacran Dias (+105) vs Cub Swanson $100.00 for $105.00= -$100.00
Hacran Dias wins by 3 round decision (+150) $75.00 for $112.50= -$75.00

Mike Chiesa (+150) vs Beneil Dariush $100.00 for $150.00= $150.00
Mike Chiesa wins by 3 round decision (+320) $50.00 for $160.00= -$50.00
Raquel Pennington (-160) vs Bethe Correia $320.00 for $200.00= $200.00
Raquel Pennington wins by submission (+315) $35.00 for $110.25= -$35.00
Raquel Pennington wins in round 3 (+1125) $10.00 for $112.50= -$10.00
Santiago Ponzinibbio (-155) vs Court McGee $310.00 for $200.00= $200.00
Santiago Ponzinibbio scorecards = no action (-156) $78.00 for $50.00= $50.00
Santiago Ponzinibbio/Court McGee Under 2½ (+155) $50.0 for $77.50= $77.50

Manny Gamburyan (+460) vs John Dodson $50.00 for $230.00= -$50.00
Manny Gamburyan wins by submission (+1730) $20.00 for $346.00= -$20.00
Michael Graves (-130) vs Randy Brown $130.00 for $100.00= $100.00
Live In-Play Mike Graves (-115) vs Randy Brown $100.00 for $86.96= $86.96
Michael Graves wins by submission (+350) $40.00 for $140.00= $140.00
Michael Graves/Randy Brown Under 2½ (+155) $100.00 for $155.00= $155.00
Cezar Ferreira (+170) vs Oluwale Bamgbose $250.00 for $425.00= $425.00
Cezar Ferreira wins in round 2 (+700) $25.00 for $175.00= -$25.00
Cezar Ferreira wins in round 3 (+1300) $15.00 for $195.00= -$15.00
Oluwale Bamgbose wins in round 1 (+135) $40.00 for $54.00= -$40.00
Oluwale Bamgbose wins inside distance (-139) $55.60 for $40.00= -$55.60
Oluwale Bamgbose scorecards = no action (-225) $112.50 for $50.00= Cancelled
Cezar Ferreira/Oluwale Bamgbose Under 1½ (-175) $87.50 for $50.00= -$87.50
Elizeu Zaleski/Omari Akhmedov Under 2½ (+100) $50.00 for $50.00= -$50.00

Khabib Nurmagomedov wins Fastest KO (+900) $10.00 for $90.00= -$10.00
Cezar Ferreira wins Fastest SUB (+900) $10.00 for $90.00= -$10.00
Rose Namajunas/Tecia Torres FOTN award winner (+400) $15.00 for $60.00= -$15.00
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Total Profit= $578.36

I must be missing something - my gut feeling is Rumble v Glover would go very, VERY badly for Glover... yeah he's got OK takedowns and he's got some power, but he's not really the kind of guy that's given Rumble trouble in the past. And Rumble's crushed guys (Bader, Davis) whose takedowns are a lot better than OK.

I can 100% see why Glover made the call out, it's pretty much the only fight that makes sense where a win would get him back in the title picture. IDK if Gus even wants to fight again any time soon, and I don't think beating Gus would get him a shot at this stage anyway.

Unless he's desperate for a payday though then I don't see any real upside for Rumble in taking that fight. He's the presumptive #1 contender right now, especially if Jones does beat OSP and then Cormier. If he fought Glover and beat him he'd still be the #1 contender. If he fought Glover and somehow lost, he maybe loses that status.

I think Glover's probably deluding himself about getting into/winning a title fight either way though. Against either Jones or Cormier I think he gets crushed, and it's not like his previous title fight even did all that well from a business standpoint.

UFC on FOX 19 Results

I made $2270 on three parlay bets

Bet 1

Pennington
Dodson
Namajuans

Bet 2

Dodson
Swanson
Namajuans

Bet 3

Dodson
Swanson
Namajuans
Teixeira

Odds seem pretty good for Nate don't they? He's going in with a full camp this time and still the underdog.

True - Conor has a whole camp to prepare for Nate (as opposed to RDA) this time too though and it's not like Nate is invincible. If Conor comes in with a better game plan, say takes his time and attacks the body/lead leg as opposed to just swinging for the home run KO then I think he's probably justified as a small favourite?

My money's on Nate, he has a much better ground game and he's a better boxer. Nick has shown he has a strong chin so Conor only has his kicks left to see if he can make them work. The one-two punch from Nate is going to be something Conor has to deal with.

Just spoke with someone with a lot of experience in juicing, Growth Hormones and how to take them safely and if you're a fighter not to get caught.

Lyoto Machida is near 100% guilty of Growth Hormone use. What he did was he took Growth Hormone and then took the supplement at the same time. The supplement is a masking agent for Growth Hormone. So when he got caught all they could prove is that he was taking the supplement which will carry a much smaller fine/suspension then being caught for Growth Hormone.

On another note I think we can expect to see many more of these... ooops I took a supplement that I was taking for years etc cases and didn't realize it's on the banned list type excuses. As more money comes into MMA he said that gyms might actually start investing/buying supplement companies and "taint" their own products so the fighters in that gym who are using said products can claim that it wasn't their fault. If the testers can order the supplement themselves and see roids/GH in them then it would seem that the fighter has a legit excuse. This is likely what happened in the Romero case.

I agree with this.

Conor needs to take a page out of GSP's playbook. GSP won by fighting to his opponents weaknesses and was content winning boring/decisions.

Conor only has experience winning 1 way. The big left which historically has served him well. But he needs to have a back up plan to stay on top when plan A doesn't work. In their 1st fight it's obvious Plan A won't get the job done vs. Diaz or any legit WW with a decent chin.

Plan B should be using his smaller size as an advantage by stick and moving and using the leg kick (which he has a good one) as Diaz has a history of getting hurt by them. (RDA, Benson Henderson and even Cerrone in r3).
If he's content winning a decision then he should be ok.

I think Conor is a small fav over Nate if he lets his ego go and just eases back on the power shots and focuses on just out-technically boxing Nate. Nate's chin is awesome and his cardio is endless, but he is absurdly hittable as we saw in r1, but Conor gassed himself out swinging for the fences because he was landing. He needs to use a Condit-style gameplan (which he's more than capable of doing) to beat Nate

Nate should look for a way to get it to the ground and just come forward being wiling to eat shots to dish them out. In a chaotic fight, Nate is probably the favourite because he's more well rounded. In an orderly fight, Conor has the technically better standup, and it's not like Nate is an offensive wrestler so over five rounds of basically on the feet kickboxing, if neither guy gasses Conor is a favourite to win 3 rounds, Conor just needs to resist the urgent to desperation shoot for a takedown if he gets rocked.

I was leaning Conor more heavily at first a little less so now. I have no idea what will happen in this fight tbh and will probably stay away unless the Conor by decision line is good in which case i'll play that if it's say +400 or better

This all makes sense except from what I read Lyoto didn't pop, he disclosed he was taking it on a form.

I'm sure everything your friends says could be true but it is a lot of speculation. I read the theory about buying and tainting your own sup production in one of the MMA threads here, but is there any more proof of that happening, particularly in the Romero case, than someone who has never done it claiming it could be done?

Edit: fwiw to the discussion, I have read a few articles recently about supplements containing substances that have been regulated out by the fda, or making small changes to them to add an untested and yet unregulated version. This was not competition related, either, it was to pad results for regular users in a less expensive way. Amino spiking to thwart protien content testing is also rampant. It is a shady, shady business and very difficult to know just what you are taking.

Machida didn't test positive as far as I'm aware. He just listed a bunch of supplements on a form he was taking and one was DHEA. I just assume any UFC fighter over the age of 35 is likely juicing in some form or another.

Khabib only got $48,000 for his win, which is kind of sad. One of the best fighters in the LW division being a measly 48 grand...

ya but it was basically a warmup fight for him, 50 grand warmup is ok, the casual viewer doesnt know khabib by name(yet?) and layoff didnt help.

Main thing I find odd about that is it's less than he got for the RDA fight - though he doesn't seem to have had the same deal twice in any of his disclosed payouts:

10k/10k v Tibau
14k/14k v Trujillo
32k/32k v Dos Anjos

And now 24k/24k for this one. But y'know, he probably got some change from behind the couch from the Reebok deal so that makes it all OK...

I think the saddest thing from the payouts this weekend is that Rashad was easily the highest paid. In a loss.

Khabib will get paid if he renegotiates after winning the title. Even if he doesn't win the title i'm sure he'll get more for his title shot which is coming and i'm still not sure anyone at LW can stop his wrestling, he will lose eventually to a striker who knocks him out before he can get a takedown but I wouldn't be surprised if he becomes a multi defense champ first.

I mean 48k's not enough for a fighter as highly ranked as he is but he's also not living in poverty if he fights 3x a year at that rate and he's in a good position to become champ and make a pile of money in the next year

Hey guys, what do you guys think of OSP at +375 vs Jones. I think it's pretty good value, but wanted your thoughts. I'm thinking about putting a small wager down.

OSP/JJ

I want to recap my thoughts on OSP/JJ here as I think OSP is still overrated right now. Lets look at who OSP has actually beaten.

Feijao - There is not much to say here. I am not sure what the deal with Feijao was but he was perhaps the most inactive I have ever seen a fighter. Very easy win for an injured OSP as Feijao was at the tail end of his career and offered no real danger.

Shogun - OSP had a quick KO in the first min. which was low percentage IMO. This would often be a very close fight that Shogun could win.

Jimmo - OSP won because Jimmo broke his arm. Very competitive fight.

Krylov - This was a legit win by OSP very nice Von Flue choke.

Gian Villante - This was the biggest joke. Gian got poked in the eye and the ref stopped the fight. Gian was on his way to win this fight. I would go as far to say this fight doesn't even count.

Conclusion: OSP has some dangerous kicks to the body if they connect. His head kicks and leg kicks are really just there for show and he doesn't throw them with conviction.

OSP's primary skill is covering distance fast while throwing wild punches. OSP needs a r1 KO or he is done.

OSP has serious gas tank issues and has nothing left by round 3. I think all the fights I watched OSP is flat footed and basically stops doing anything by the start of the 3rd round.

JJ is cautious and I don't think he will go for the finish during rounds 1 and 2. JJ will let OSP blow his load in rounds 1 and 2 and then rounds 3-5 will be all JJ. I anticipate JJ will pick him apart in rounds 1 and 2 and keep him at distance with kicks. Biggest factor in this fight will be Jon's kicks as OSP does not close the distance with technical skill.

I like the JJ decision price but I think right now JJ has a lot to prove with being out and he needs a finish under his belt. At the same time come round 4 OSP will be so gassed a finish will be literally easy for JJ.

My official prediction is JJ ITD (rounds 3-5)

If you want to play OSP I think his KO prop or r1 prop is the way to go GL.

Got a bet in on Rose at ~-167, thought I was ~20% going into the decision. She didn't do **** the last round except got that late takedown which wasn't enough for ****.

thought glover was a good bet but didn't fire on it unfortunately :/

I don't think I'm touching 197, but the fight night has a few interesting fights in AO vs AA and Bigfoot vs Struve and I'm wondering what y'all think about them?

Both arlovski and overeem are so chinny either could get finished in a hurry and AA is value if he's willing to play with fire and rush Reem but he's seemed more interested in finding spots and I think that will play to Reems advantage.

198 and 200 seem to have a plethora of good spots IMO. I like Werdum/Shogun/Spider at those prices, Gadhelha is a steal, then Diaz/Tate/Sanchez at 200

Lemonzest,

I agree with you. I was telling a buddy that OSP is going to be gassed by the 3rd round. OSP needs to finish the fight early if he has a chance to win. OSP does not have a full training camp either. However, OSP does have some power, but can he hit Jones is the question. For Jones however, this is his first fight in a long time so he may be rusty when it comes to "fight speed," and might get caught. It's the only reason why I'm interested in betting on OSP.

im surprised the rumored mcgregor retirement hasnt made waves in this thread yet

lol what?

Is he balking for even more money? He isn't retiring until he can squeeze as much money out of his self inflated platform that the UFC put him on to start with.

I just assume he's trolling - which hasn't necessarily been his style, I know, but still it makes a lot more sense than him, y'know, actually retiring and leaving multiple millions on the table...

Only thing that makes sense to me, assuming it isn't a giant troll-job, is that he ****ed up huge and knows he'd fail a test, is retiring to dodge it, and won't set foot in Vegas for fear of being tested. Then he comes back to fight the Aldo/Frankie winner or somebody at 155. Or waits until he's pissing clean and if it's soon enough, is back on the card.