I think school is rigged too.

This is reality. Seems the people arguing for rigging are either doing it to be a troll and messing with people a bit (not hard to guess who) and those who are genuinely paranoid who's natural inclination will believe that everything in life is rigged with complex conspiracies that never get caught except Enron or Madoff.

I have no doubt smaller organizations do all sorts of weird stuff to try to grow (and I would put Kimbo's original organization in that category), but eventually when a company becomes the sustainable money engine like the UFC it is so amusing to even consider rigging on such a large scale, especially when they can essentially do in a legitimate manner what they want (within limits) with things like choosing certain matchups that benefit fighters they want to push.

Some refs will suck. Some judges will suck. Some individual fighters might do some things that suck. That's par for the course in anything where money is involved. However, to believe the UFC is rigging actual matches requires that you also believe they would risk their entire business and industry just to help promote a guy with a mean looking beard, when they can get as much value out of him doing what they are doing whether he wins or loses. Not like Kimbo will ever beat Machida, and everyone knows it.

One of you paranoid guys like Bucket prove that it's rigged with some data for a change. Trolls just keep doing what you are doing since you likely do not really care whether it's rigged or not, and if others want to humor you by replying then congrats on your victory in your own mind.

Can you explain exactly what the consequences were for every other league that had internal issues with rigging? The NBA has quickly swept aside all of the blatant evidence that its ref riggaments were pervasive.

Its these type of specious/nonsensical arguments that render people blind to the past of what are obviously a history of dubious fights.

Please explain Seth's comments about the KO clause. No one has yet addressed what is perfectly legal and 100% ensures an un-"fair" fight.


NB: Not even addressing the burden of proof requirement that exists of proving that Kimbo matches are 100% WWE-esque. That is a ridiculous loltarded comment started with Perf and being continued on and on that is a strawman.

"blind to the past of what are obviously a history of dubious fights."

What UFC fights are you referring to faggles?

Did I say anything about his UFC fights or anything about the future?

Only the truly ignorant think his fights have been as fair as other fights.

How about this...

Your troll posts when I catch them amuse me at times, and clearly you have a lot of life experience in the sports betting arena. Good for you in that regard.

Reality is your posts are essentially a higher IQ version of Cliff Clavin making points for the sake of argument while fulfilling a need to sound superior. As trolling goes it is quite an elite form of it but that is all most of your posts are when in this tone (many of your others are quite informative when you peel away the dismissive arrogant aspects).

I respect you as a poster for the quality that one can find within your posts. I respect you as a troll as you do that extremely well. However, I have zero interest in playing along with that game, so I will leave you in the hands of others who will waste a ton of time trying to "talk sense" into you, when that is totally not even relevant based on why you post.

If you genuinely believe it's rigged go a bit beyond "look at what Seth said" and uncover a true pattern of corruption. Look at what Seth said is what the standard paranoid riggies like bucket say, and you are better at that.



See, this is better quality material. The vague answer as a question which dismisses the other person, along with a follow up point/insult which implies what you say has more power. High level troll posting. Good job.

You entertain me when you troll in this forum, so keep at it, and I genuinely wish you the best of luck in that endeavor.

All the best.

He had a KO clause written into his contract to eschew him from winning by other means. This is exactly like the arguments I gave above. How fair would it be to tell GSP "No punching" or his purse is $1?

If this is not akin to "rigging" ie "Not fair", I don't know wtf would be unfair. Maybe a guy getting in there and hitting him with a chair?

All fighters fight with bonus incentives!!! Just because most organisations give out multiple ones per fight (sub, ko, fotn) doesn't mean that they somehow cancel out and have no effect, they all effect the fight. In fact, the whole freaking point of giving bonuses is to change how fights play out. Blindly repeating that one fight was rigged because of the bonus structure is ridiculous.

Do you not understand offering bonuses after the fight and before the fight are different? You don't address anything I brought up and instead cite this nonsense that bears no resemblance to the contractual aspects in the Seth fight.

Yes, it is not fair and basically attempting to rig the fight as Kimbo had the advantage on the feet (or so everyone thought). EliteXC went out of business because of it. It is definitely possible a fight could be rigged, but I think Monteroy said it best. The UFC doesn't need to rig fights when they can basically give someone a very beatable opponent, then after the guy wins, they give him the title shot. They do it all the time with new people in the company.

Could it happen? yes. Does it happen in the UFC? I highly doubt it. There have been a couple recent upsets the UFC would not have wanted to happen(marquardt vs sonnen, edgar vs. penn, etc). Also look at guys like Mirko Cro Cop. What a debacle bringing in that guy was. A 6 or 7 fight deal. They might as well have shot the cash out of a cannon.

It's worth noting, of course, that EliteXC didn't want seth in the cage with Kimbo. they wanted shamrock. It was clear Kimbo was going to get trashed the minute Seth vs. Kimbo was announced.

It was obvious? Where do you get that? I don't think anyone expected a 10 second KO against Kimbo. Seth was a UFC castaway that nobody cared about and looked quite odd backing away from Kimbo as soon as it started, back against the fence, using his leg to try to keep him back, then firing the 1 punch.

Obvious to me. I can't back that up with any proof unless you want to ask my friend that I said it to as soon it was announced, which I realize is very lame and I apologize.

Seth had 100X the legit fight experience Kimbo did at that time.

Plus there's always... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o09hrKJzYKo

I think bodog opened seth at +250 with some tiny limit.

+250 implies that the books thought it was on the up and up unless the margin was enormous, I would think. I would've expected longer odds like the most recent Rolles Gracie-Mexicutioner fight.

You are correct about the fight experience. I believe you...the closest I came was telling my friend that it would be hilarious and seriously f*ck up Exlite if Kimbo lost. I didn't honestly expect it to happen though.

Bob sapp is a total joke.I saw him fight bobby lashley in person in biloxi.You can mark my word on this.Bobby Lashley is gonna be in the ufc fighting for the heavyweight title in the next two years for sure.He took sap down,ground and pound and it was over.Bob sap did not get one punch in .Seems like lashley is taking very easy fights though.I think its time for him to step up.

Sapp is especially a joke now. But putting him on his ass in 2004 meant you had at least some standup acumen and power. It's especially relevant when talking about a fight vs. Kimbo.

other than being one of the worst matches ive ever seen can someone plz tell me wth happened in that fight

i thought he tore his bicep or something thats why it got stopped but like 1 min later he seemed fine

probly not

Your right.He signed with strikeforce.He will probably stay there a while

Im putting my money where my mouth is .Just maxed kimbo.Im counting my money already

Where did you max him, at what price? You have a screenshot?

I like this e-tough guy routine. You have backed out of a prop bet. Challenged someone else to an e-fight (It'd be pretty lol if this was like the Urlacher/Ruten story). Now you're asking for screenshots to prove someone actually made a wager.

Awesome.

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