Kimbo looked great against one of the most overrated 205lb cans in history.
Giving up 5 inches of reach and 30lbs while having no speed advantage is not going to work out well for him.

Occam's razor = rigged. lol. How else do you explain away a systematic set of inexplicable judging/behavior/stupidity by everyone involved in every Kimbo fight. And Seth being paid to keep it standing.

Kimbo hasn't looked great since Byrd.

Thremp you're so far off base with the "Kimbo = Rigged" that it's not even funny, or worth discussing.

Do you read/watch the fights in question or just post about it? It amazing how you want to ignore bonus issues that are open and clear about making the fight unfair. Like saying, "Brock we're not paying you if you take him down and GnP" is equally as fair as any other fight. lololololololololol.

The stance that his fights are fair is absurd. Can someone explain why the Thompson fight wasn't stopped. Two minutes of getting slapped in the face while giving the thumbs up doesn't really strike me as "intelligent defense".

what's inexplicable?

The two strangest things that happened wrt kimbo (aside from him having a career at all) were:

1) big dan standing up thompson and kimbo in the third round, which is something big dan repeatedly does because he's a bad ref: stand up fighters and insert himself into fights to try to manage the performance for the audience. He did the exact same thing at UFN 21, broke up a fight for no reason and insisted the fighters not let it go to the judges.

2) Seth Petruzelli debacle. It makes sense to offer a knockout bonus. UFC does this. Seth Won. If proelite was rigging fights and had the judges, the refs, etc in their pockets, why didn't they bring in someone to fall over for Kimbo instead of trying ****ty manipulation by convincing a live fighter with serious standup experience to fight standing.

Some things are weird, but the simplest explanation is not a vast overarching conspiracy.

EliteXC KNEW Kimbo was a **** fighter, even in standup. that's why he got garbage opponents. They wouldn't toss in a guy with actual fight experience and expect the fight to go their way just because he was standing.

"Intelligent Defense" is a false standard promulgated by MMA commentators. It's not the rule the refs are supposed to abide by. If a ref doesn't think a guy is taking damage he doesn't have to stop the fight. Thompson was pathetically gassed and not striking Kimbo effectively.

Could cite what the rule is?

http://www.leg.state.nv.us/NAC/NAC-4...l#NAC467Sec713

Well... I'm not sure what one-sided is, but when a guys best defense is a thumbs up sign that sounds "one sided". But hey, you're the $100 expert.

PS: lol at citing rules now and ignoring them for decisions. rofl

UFC's rule:

Referee may Restart the round:
If the fighters reach a stalemate and do not work to improve position or finish.

side control is not a stalemate

I was the one that cited the rules for decisions too.

I like how you act like my bankroll (which you know nothing about, of course) is a direct indication of my intelligence. It's a nice appeal-to-authority logical fallacy for you. "I'm right because I have more money".

And clearly the fight wasn't "one-sided" enough to warrant a stoppage since Kimbo was still competitive in the next round and *cough cough* won.

Of course this rule is interpreted in all kinds of ways by the refs.

How exactly did Kimbo win? A dubious stoppage? Imagine that.

There is a realm of fairness, from perfectly fair (what everyone imagines will happen) to WWE rogged. I'm not saying this is WWE. I'm saying that the result is carefully influenced by 1) money 2) "judgment" calls all going in Kimbo's favor.

I apologize for the $100 sharp comment. That actually wasn't you who brought up the results and some other handwaving silliness to support your argument. The incestuous behavior makes it difficult to tell you folks apart.

Are you also going to say that Kimbo's fight vs. Nelson on TUF was rigged?

He spent a long time in a crucifix in the first round eating pitty-pat shots, and it wasn't stopped.

Also? wtf?

Okay, are you also going to say all the judgment calls were influenced by money.

Dunno. Would be shocked if they weren't indirectly (toe the line brah), shocked if they were overtly (envelope of money).

I mean, the KO bonus is pretty much lol. How do you explain that one for a "fair fight"?

Please just ignore Thremp. His snide comments only derail this or any thread.

So you are all saying the bonuses offered for various wins don't ever effect the way a fighter fights? Not even the way he alters his strategy 5%, 2%?

The random punks that fight dark matches and could get ~$50k for knockout of the night which effectively increases 10x what they make on that specific fight doesn't enter their mind? What if it's an undercard match and there have been no knockouts yet?

Let me guess, since you all know everything about MMA, you know each guy's specific financial situation and know which have full/part time jobs and what 50,000 does to their net worth.

This is the stuff even our own mod says isn't even worth discussing?

The actual numbers are insignificant, but to say these don't factor into any fight ever? Is that the stance everyone is taking?

There was an article posted here about that fighter who was cashing his check and was stoked he won some fight incentive. That doesn't enter his mind during his next fight?

What if the bonus changes on some various card to $500,000?

You all are saying they magically forget about these things?

I will have to admit i bet on kimbo against james thompson bc i figured there was a chance it could somehow be rigged in kimbos favor.


They are thowing kimbo fighters that like to stand up and bang to give him a better chance to win now.First tank abbot,then houston alexander,and now matt mitrione.The ufc wants kimbo to win otherwise they would give him a wrestler or submission artist so if they are rigging the competition to better his chance to win .You better believe there is a chance the actual fight is rigged too.Another reason why this is a lock is bc the rigged factor.There is no benefit for anyone seeing mitrione win this fight but if kimbo wins again,he will be a big draw for his next fight.Even if the fight is legit,kimbo will destroy mitrione

I mean... Didn't EliteXC write into Seth's contract that he had a bonus specifically for a KO?

Which led to the investigation... clearly if we tell Shogun he make $1 if he kicks, and $7m if doesn't... fight is fair? I'm amazed how ignorant some of you are. See Perf/Hum/Mikey/Everyone else burying their head in the sand pretending like fighting is upstanding. Next up, QQing about how some Russian woman tennis player who has mad late steam against her wins the first set 6-0 but then loses the next two 6-1 6-1.

FYP. Huge difference between rigging fight and matching two fighters of similar skillsets that should provide an entertaining show. You can nit-pick how the UFC would like a fighter to win, but this is not the case here. This isn't a Cro-Cop / Al-Turk job like you're implying.

O RLY?

Kimbo has already lost professionally, and on TUF. There is no longer that "Kimbo is the best fighter out there mystique" that Elite XC was trying to manufacture.

Could the fight be tampered with to favor Kimbo? It's possible, but given the UFC's track record, it is very unlikely that this will happen. The UFC has way more Anderson, GSP, Brock Lesnar, and Jon Jones eggs than Kimbo eggs in their basket.

And please stop saying this is a lock? Would you like to give me +500 odds on Mitrione, since none of the sportsbooks will? If you had learned one thing about the Kimbo/Petruzelli fight, it's that you cannot rig a MMA fight for one fighter to win 100% of the time.

Re bonuses: Of course offering a ko bonus and no sub bonus will affect a fight, it's just not what anyone means when they say a fight was 'OMG rigged!' The UFC offers sub/ko bonuses for every card. These of course affect the fights to some degree but no sane person considers every UFC fight ever to have been rigged.