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10-02-2009 , 03:02 AM
no they didnt cancel racing, my selection ran up the track
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10-02-2009 , 11:17 PM
Who's getting excited for the Gold Cup? I'll likely make a trip over to Sufferin' Downs to put in a few. Does Macho Again ever get any respect? I have no virtual stable, but I've been following him around since he was a 3 yr old. I love that damn horse.

Over a mile and a quarter should be a fantastic duel in the home stretch between him and Summer Bird. No one else has a prayer in this race. I like the MA-SB ExBox. Ship the chalk!
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10-03-2009 , 12:45 AM
quality road FTW
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10-03-2009 , 01:05 AM
Taking short odds on Quality Road with questionable form is a suckers bet. At a price I like Dry Martini, wont get much respect as Macho Again has finished ahead of him the last two they faced, but those werent at Belmont, I think DM prefers Belmont.
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10-03-2009 , 03:46 AM
Im gonna give my full analysis a lil later, but check out the travers on you tube, quality road was boxed in the entire race and he still ran well to finish third. IF he gets the distance he will be formidable, and hes not going to be that short of a price, probably the third choice, Summer Bird and Macho again will be the first two choices
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10-03-2009 , 04:17 AM
Belmont 500k Pick4--

Vosburgh - Using 2 horses here, of course Fabolous strike nothing needs to be said there, and Munnings who has the oppurtinunity to become a top-flight sprinter, but probably these are too tough for him this year

Flower Bowl- Im againt both Criticism and the entry here, Im going with Pure Clan, Dynaforce and the Irish invader Moneycantbuymelove for a price. Also the 1 horse Leamington can be used on deeper tickets

Turf Classic- This is where things get interesting-- Im going to take a shot against Gio Ponti here, he has never run the distance, he has won 4 grade 1's in a row, i just feel hes due to run a bad one. I really like Grand Courtier in this spot. He loves the distance ( 5/10) and i think he was looking ahead to this race and the Breeders cup all year. As a saver i would use Musketier and possible Readys Echo if he takes to the turf

Jockey Gold Cup-- I like two horses here, Summer bird and Quality Road, Im against Macho again here i think his race vs RA last time is going to make him the Fave here, but RA was ran into the ground in that race and he still couldnt pass her. Summer Bird is an improving animal and his Travers and Belmont win were very impressive. Quality Road could be loose on the lead here, he might face some pressure from Tizway. Dry martini likes Belmont i would use him as a saver. Also look out for Sette E Mezzeo, anytime a horse has recently run in allowance nw1x and now are facing the best horses in the country, those horses should be on your tickets, Especially if they have never run on the dirt Seriously i will kill myself if that horse beats me if i am alive going into this race
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10-03-2009 , 06:19 AM
ghaanati in the sun chariot today at newmarket.also for you yanks if you can tune into the prix delarc de triomphe tomorow to watch the best middle distance horse in the world sea the stars take the biggest race in europe,because if connections decide to take their chance in the bc classic hes comin over to whoop rachel alexandra into shape
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10-03-2009 , 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by markyboy86
ghaanati in the sun chariot today at newmarket.also for you yanks if you can tune into the prix delarc de triomphe tomorow to watch the best middle distance horse in the world sea the stars take the biggest race in europe,because if connections decide to take their chance in the bc classic hes comin over to whoop rachel alexandra into shape
There's a 0% chance of Rachel Alexandra running in the BC, and little chance of Sea the Stars running in it.
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10-03-2009 , 01:08 PM
[QUOTE=BklynGrinder;13548046]Belmont 500k Pick4--

Vosburgh - Using 2 horses here, of course Fabolous strike nothing needs to be said there, and Munnings who has the oppurtinunity to become a top-flight sprinter, but probably these are too tough for him this year

Flower Bowl- Im againt both Criticism and the entry here, Im going with Pure Clan, Dynaforce and the Irish invader Moneycantbuymelove for a price. Also the 1 horse Leamington can be used on deeper tickets

Turf Classic- This is where things get interesting-- Im going to take a shot against Gio Ponti here, he has never run the distance, he has won 4 grade 1's in a row, i just feel hes due to run a bad one. I really like Grand Courtier in this spot. He loves the distance ( 5/10) and i think he was looking ahead to this race and the Breeders cup all year. As a saver i would use Musketier and possible Readys Echo if he takes to the turf

Jockey Gold Cup-- I like two horses here, Summer bird and Quality Road, Im against Macho again here i think his race vs RA last time is going to make him the Fave here, but RA was ran into the ground in that race and he still couldnt pass her. Summer Bird is an improving animal and his Travers and Belmont win were very impressive. Quality Road could be loose on the lead here, he might face some pressure from Tizway. Dry martini likes Belmont i would use him as a saver. Also look out for Sette E Mezzeo, anytime a horse has recently run in allowance nw1x and now are facing the best horses in the country, those horses should be on your tickets, Especially if they have never run on the dirt Seriously i will kill myself if that horse beats me if i am alive going into this race[/QUOT

BklynGrinder,

nice analysis i appreciate your insight into belmont today. The Jockeys Gold up is my target for today and i should be back later to put up my picks. Definitely taking a long look at dry martini. Summer birds a tough horse though and definitely looks to the be the clear favorite on paper. Prado did had a win on a longshot yesterday at belmont and seems as hungry as ever.
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10-03-2009 , 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by markyboy86
ghaanati in the sun chariot today at newmarket.also for you yanks if you can tune into the prix delarc de triomphe tomorow to watch the best middle distance horse in the world sea the stars take the biggest race in europe,because if connections decide to take their chance in the bc classic hes comin over to whoop rachel alexandra into shape
Tomorrow will be STS's last race (think he was gonna race in the BC Classic if the ground was soft at Longchamp tomorrow).

I was on Ghanaati pretty big today, overrated horse it seems
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10-03-2009 , 05:34 PM
I'm not taking 6-5 (or thereabouts), but Summer Bird should romp in the JCGC. Will play a little flyer with Tizway underneath.
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10-03-2009 , 06:32 PM
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Tomorrow will be STS's last race (think he was gonna race in the BC Classic if the ground was soft at Longchamp tomorrow).

I was on Ghanaati pretty big today, overrated horse it seems
was very dissapointed in the hills horse today ran very flat like it has had a hard season(although only running very little)i suppose the sussex could have taken alot of getting over,had a small bet on supaseus(minor stakes) to save the day from my bet on the nap so i can go into tomorrow with a small profit,i got a tip for midday from the cecil yard at the start of the year although i wouldnt go in too heavy at longchamp if its on the soft side in french terms im obv doubling it up with sea the stars.
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10-04-2009 , 07:16 AM
Nice one on Supaseus, didn't have a bet on the Cambridgeshire, just couldn't bother trying to study that race. Yeah Ghanaati has had a long season to be fair.

Yeah I like Midday aswell today, her form is pretty solid, can ignore the Irish oaks as it was a bog that day, won the Nassau and pushed Sariska close in the Epsom oaks, nothing else in the race has form that comes close to that.

Really hope Sea The Stars wins today and definitely go down as one of the greats, have a bad feeling though, a few horses probably going to be better prepared for the race and the 1m4f here is probably a bigger stamina test than the 1m4f at Epsom. The French don't seem to be too confident of their horses though which is good, none of them look particularly exceptional.

Prix De L'abbaye: War Artist
Prix Marcel Boussac: Cabaret
Prix Jean-luc Lagardere: Lope De Vega
Prix De L'opera: Midday
Prix De L'arc De Triomphe: Sea The Stars
Prix Du Cadran: Kasbah Bliss (nap)

Those are the horses i'll go with for all the big races at Longchamp.
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10-04-2009 , 10:07 AM
slowly run race for midday didnt suit and plugged on for 3rd,i would say epsom is a bigger stamina test than longchamp standard time at epsom is 2min35 longchamp is 2min30 lets gogogogo sea the stars

Last edited by markyboy86; 10-04-2009 at 10:08 AM. Reason: edit i like getaway e/w for a place also
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10-04-2009 , 10:21 AM
wow what a horse sea the stars is racing immortality has arrived for this horse
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10-04-2009 , 10:25 AM
easily the greatest flat racing horse I have ever seen
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10-04-2009 , 10:37 AM
next stop santa anita is what connections are saying,this horse is a cert at the breeders cup
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10-04-2009 , 10:39 AM
just checked the prices for the bc classic sea the stars in now 4/6.
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10-04-2009 , 02:44 PM
Amazing

Glad i got the chance to see him at Leopardstown.
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10-04-2009 , 03:36 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiGZlBKdFU4 - amateur video at the track, i liked it anyways
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f824CU-F3rc - BBC coverage for anyone who missed it

Last edited by sharkstevie; 10-04-2009 at 03:48 PM.
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10-05-2009 , 01:14 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiGZlBKdFU4 - amateur video at the track, i liked it anyways
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f824CU-F3rc - BBC coverage for anyone who missed it
Very very nice horse there. What does STS have left after that race to come back in a months time,jump a pretty big pond called the Atlantic,then stop where the next big pond begins the Pacific,and win the BC Classic. I wouldnt say impossible ever,but not very likely imo.
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10-06-2009 , 09:17 PM
Summer Bird is 20-1 to win the BC Classic at Sportsbook.com. 7-1 at other books. Appox 5-1 at race time. Value, hope and pray.
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10-06-2009 , 10:18 PM
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Summer Bird is 20-1 to win the BC Classic at Sportsbook.com. 7-1 at other books. Appox 5-1 at race time. Value, hope and pray.
Only reason i can think of for this is the Synthetic surface at SA.
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10-07-2009 , 09:12 AM
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Only reason i can think of for this is the Synthetic surface at SA.
That's probably the main reason. Also, uncertainty about which Euros are going to run. Mastercraftsman is almost definite (and would deserve to the favorite IMO), but if Sea The Stars and any of the other top Euros run in the BCC as well, I could see Summer Bird going off at a pretty high price. 20-1 still seems too generous though.
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10-07-2009 , 03:21 PM
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Only reason i can think of for this is the Synthetic surface at SA.
Great find! 20-1 is good value on Summer Bird, for sure. Mostly, I just don't think Sea the Stars is going to win the classic, and I'm looking for value: "the greatest horse that ever lived (this year) is almost always a European 3yo." They get 8 lbs. from elders in Europe, here they get 4. What are Euro shippers in the BC Classic overall? 2 for 40+?

On to Summer Bird... On one hand, trainer Tim Ice has made standard posturing on Summer Bird. SB started his training at Santa Anita on the synthetic when he was a 2YO: "He's already trained four months (over the Santa Anita Pro-Ride) and he has solid works over it,” Ice said. “I think we could put him on anything and he'd run."

I would send it in on Summer Bird in the Classic at this price, but, on the other hand, Ice remains tough to read at the same time: From DRF

This year's Breeders' Cup Classic is being run over Santa Anita's synthetic surface and not on conventional dirt. Summer Bird didn't train that well at Santa Anita when he was there with John Sadler before being transferred to Ice prior to his first career race.

After jockey Kent Desormeaux jogged Summer Bird once around the Oklahoma turf course, Ice came to the realization that the grass is not necessarily greener for his 3-year-old colt.

"I didn't like the way he looked over the turf," Ice said later back at the stakes barn. "He just didn't look comfortable. It could have all been due to the fact it was his first time over it, but it didn't look like the same horse that he looked like going over the dirt. Other than that, everything else is fine."

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Ice isn't totally ruling out giving Summer Bird another try on a different turf course. He said he would most likely still pre-enter Summer Bird in the Breeders' Cup Turf "just to keep an option open. Maybe the first time he could've been unsure of it."
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