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09-12-2010 , 11:49 PM
Has anyone actually looked into whether these all in pf ev graphs are accurate?
09-13-2010 , 12:57 AM
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Originally Posted by kylephilly
bilbo that's so funny i was just thinking to myself how i wanted a 30" the other day but I was like wtf why are these things still 1k+ when 32" tv's are like 300 bucks

guess it's more of a niche market or are these things really that robust that they are more $$$ to make?
Pretty sure 32 inch tv's have significantly lower resolution no?
09-13-2010 , 01:21 AM
Just got complete ****ing owned... don't know what to say, guy had loosish but normal stats over 50 hands... def was not expecting him to call that light (obv), I 100% expect to fold out AJ on the river


Poker Stars $50+$5 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t800/t1600 Blinds + t150 - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

CO: t61443 M = 17.07
BTN: t15927 M = 4.42
SB: t34007 M = 9.45
BB: t78973 M = 21.94
UTG: t91730 M = 25.48
UTG+1: t36681 M = 10.19
MP1: t14908 M = 4.14
Hero (MP2): t43444 M = 12.07

Pre Flop: (t3600) Hero is MP2 with A T
3 folds, Hero raises to t3400, 3 folds, BB calls t1800

Flop: (t8800) 9 J 2 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t3725, BB calls t3725

Turn: (t16250) K (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t9625, BB calls t9625

River: (t35500) 4 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t26544 all in, BB calls t26544

Final Pot: t88588
BB shows Q 9 (a pair of Nines)
Hero shows A T (high card Ace)
BB wins t88588
09-13-2010 , 01:39 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kylephilly
bilbo that's so funny i was just thinking to myself how i wanted a 30" the other day but I was like wtf why are these things still 1k+ when 32" tv's are like 300 bucks

guess it's more of a niche market or are these things really that robust that they are more $$$ to make?
my thoughts exactly

I can get a 27" for $349 but have to pay $1.5k for 30"

I mean, seriously, wtf are you all ****ing smoking
09-13-2010 , 01:40 AM
you didn't get owned, lol

your sample size just wasn't big enough to identify him as a ******fish yet
09-13-2010 , 01:41 AM
I'm lmbo here...

Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN: $237.10
SB: $84.50
BB: $108.35
UTG: $99.00
MP: $34.05
Hero (CO): $322.50

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is CO with 9 9
2 folds, Hero raises to $3.50, 2 folds, BB raises to $11, Hero calls $7.50

Flop: ($22.50) 4 9 8 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($22.50) 4 (2 players)
BB bets $15, Hero calls $15

River: ($52.50) K (2 players)
BB bets $82.35 all in, Hero calls $82.35

Final Pot: $217.20
BB shows 4 8 (a full house, Fours full of Eights)
Hero shows 9 9 (a full house, Nines full of Fours)
Hero wins $214.20
(Rake: $3.00)

How the **** do you 3b 84o and NOT cbet this flop?
09-13-2010 , 01:45 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bilbo-san
you didn't get owned, lol

your sample size just wasn't big enough to identify him as a ******fish yet
yeah, I worked it out after that hand... it was for ~average stack with 100 left, 216 paid. Pretty ****ing tilting, I really don't bluff/barrel much at all in tourneys but I thought this was a really good spot to triple (I hate just double) whatever I guess that's why I don't bluff much.
09-13-2010 , 01:47 AM
i think its fine to check that flop. probably not fine to 3bet 84o but i don't really see anything wrong w/ checking there, especially if he's 3betting that wide.
09-13-2010 , 01:48 AM
just don't bluff in MTTs unless you have a good read because most of the randos are just total idiots. god we'd all be so rich if tournaments were banned and all the donks had to play cash games instead.
09-13-2010 , 01:48 AM
A ? for others that play poker professionally. How many hours do you play a week? I really struggle to play more than 20 per week. And I don't have another job or go university and rarely go out drinking. I think I should be playing more but it seems my brain can't handle it. I would like to find out if this is normal.
09-13-2010 , 04:16 AM
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Originally Posted by freedom.fries
A ? for others that play poker professionally. How many hours do you play a week? I really struggle to play more than 20 per week. And I don't have another job or go university and rarely go out drinking. I think I should be playing more but it seems my brain can't handle it. I would like to find out if this is normal.
yeah I really struggle to play long hours of cash, for some reason find it really easy to play 12+ hour MTT sessions though, I just try and play like 3-4 hours (in 2 or 3 sessions) each playing day.
09-13-2010 , 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by craiggerz
Has anyone actually looked into whether these all in pf ev graphs are accurate?
what?
09-13-2010 , 07:28 AM
Most people are just lazy and find excuses to justify their laziness. Not saying this applies to you, but that is usually the case.
09-13-2010 , 08:39 AM
meh, I don't know, I suppose it is a form of laziness, but I've played a lot of live, the majority of which is 8-12 hour sessions and I play pretty long online mtt sessions. I just find it harder/more draining to play long sessions of online cash. I also think it's much more important to be completely switched on when playing online cash compared to live cash/online mtts.
09-13-2010 , 09:49 AM
I would really like to see a pre-flop all-in graph from somebody beating these games > 3 ptbb (shpanko??)

I knew i have got it bad pf in last few months running bad and tilting, but my graph really sucks ....

Just looked my last year's graph and i lost about $200 in all-in pf (running about +- 0 EV). And won over 2ptbb that year).

09-13-2010 , 09:56 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bilbo-san
my thoughts exactly

I can get a 27" for $349 but have to pay $1.5k for 30"

I mean, seriously, wtf are you all ****ing smoking
30" monitor, uses panel with 2560x1600 resolution --> ***** expensive to make
24"-27" monitors use panel with 1920x1200 or 1920x1080 (mostly this, same as with hd tv) resolution
All 30"+ HD TVs use 1920x1080
09-13-2010 , 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Le Pic$ou

clearly i run above EV because i keep getting it in with AA and KK vs 66-77-88-99

I prob have run good in flips a little but from memory i recall people calling me or shoving ATs or low pairs vs my AA more than my AK's

My guess is Blix is doing something wrong because even at EV adjusted(which is bull****) he's still not winning a lot, while mine is going straight up at EV adjusted
yeah since 2010 started i keep puttin it in w QQ and everybody has KK and keep getting it in w AK when everybody has AA, so i guess thats not working in my favour
09-13-2010 , 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Le Pic$ou
I prob have run good in flips a little but from memory i recall people calling me or shoving ATs or low pairs vs my AA more than my AK's
aka running good
09-13-2010 , 11:36 AM
lol no at QQ remark
09-13-2010 , 12:00 PM
gotta love the french
09-13-2010 , 12:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Le Pic$ou
I dont wanna start a war but it seems people only want to start wars.



im certain as an above 5ptbb winner at the 6max games i know more about the states of QQ at ssnl than a HU bumhunter.

there's a reason my graph goes up, and his doesnt.

here's my all in pf this year with QQ.. pretty worthless high variance


here's where i saw a flop


If i filter by "called a 3bet" im up 1.2k in 71 hands

If i filter by "cold call" im up 1.8k in 155 hands(running 500$ under ev)

If i filter by me 4betting it. im down 30$ over 28 hands.
How much you wanna bet that you're a >5ptbb winner at SSNL?
09-13-2010 , 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Le Pic$ou
ok im done helping if all im getting is insults.

Saddens me that when a big winner gives some small pointers, they get **** on.



more for me i guess


have you ever considered that you run really really good? + i havent changed my game from 2009 to 2010 yet if you look at the pf ai graphs from this year and then look at the lifetime graph i think its pretty well documented that i run like ****ing **** in pf ai situations in 2010. im not saying i make no mistakes or w/e and obviously i ran waay over ev in 2009, but saying its bad to get qq in pf...i dunno man. theres just so much 4bet bluffing going on that i would be happy to 4b/call or 5b w QQ all day and i cant see how this is a big mistake. (not saying its the best play to always 4b/5b ofc)
also most of the time i try to avoid playing w (good) regs so most of these pf ai spots should be against fish anyway.

your statement was just very unreflected and im guessinbg thats what earned you those comments. im obv not saying you're bad or anything and you're probably a way better player than me but being a little more humble would sure suit you well, especially if you're trying to offer help.

peace!
09-13-2010 , 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Le Pic$ou
i'll be 15k that my winrate is above 5ptbb at fulltilt 1/2
Great. Just so you know, what I'm proposing is a propbet where you will have X amount of time to complete y amount of hands at FTP 1/2 and if your winrate is above 5ptbb at the end then you get my 15k or whatever you want to bet.

If you're serious about this, we can start looking for escrows and hammering out the terms.
09-13-2010 , 12:39 PM
didn't see that coming at all..

no you don't just get to handpick a runhot period to establish your "true" winrate.
09-13-2010 , 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Le Pic$ou
i disagree, i dont follow a time schedule. I never know how many hands i will play in the next "timespan"

What you have said is " how much you wanna bet that you are not an above 5ptbb winner at SSNL" My winrate from the recent months should be enough for this
Except that your winrate from recent months is nothing more than variance. Which is why I'm proposing a propbet for you.

The "timespan" is negotiable depending on how many hands you can get in. For example, we could do something like 100k hands in 2.5 months which is plenty of time imo.

      
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