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12-18-2007 , 08:03 PM
Shortstacking ratholers who try to defend what they do crack me up.

Just do it and shut up about it and stop trying to defend urself. There is nothing to be gained by arguing ur points in 2p2 strategy forums.
12-18-2007 , 08:08 PM
qu4ck3rs is a visionary.
12-18-2007 , 08:14 PM
i think this is a pretty standard spot, but i was taking a shot at 1/2 so im unsure if i played it right, villain had just sat down.....

Pacific Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Hero: $221.2
CO: $47.35
Button: $413.48
SB: $195
BB: $280.6

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is UTG with Q Q
Hero raises to $8, 2 folds, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: 9 8 7 ($18, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $14, SB raises to $38, Hero.....?

call/reevaluate or get it in?
12-18-2007 , 08:17 PM
i just got soooo owned by this 55/7 fish


Poker Stars $0.50/$1.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

MP: $100.00
CO: $22.30
BTN: $100.00
Hero (SB): $104.05
BB: $69.70
UTG: $279.30

Pre Flop: Hero is SB with 6 7
4 folds, Hero raises to $4, BB calls $3

Flop: ($8.00) 9 2 T (2 players)
Hero bets $5, BB calls $5

Turn: ($18.00) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $14, BB calls $14

River: ($46.00) A (2 players)
Hero bets $30, BB calls $30

Spoiler:
Final Pot: $106.00
Hero shows 6h 7h (a pair of Deuces)
BB shows 6d Kh (a pair of Deuces - Ace King kicker)
BB wins $103.00
(Rake: $3.00)
12-18-2007 , 08:18 PM
lol website defacements are so 90s
12-18-2007 , 08:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bubaloo
i think this is a pretty standard spot, but i was taking a shot at 1/2 so im unsure if i played it right, villain had just sat down.....

Pacific Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Hero: $221.2
CO: $47.35
Button: $413.48
SB: $195
BB: $280.6

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is UTG with Q Q
Hero raises to $8, 2 folds, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: 9 8 7 ($18, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $14, SB raises to $38, Hero.....?

call/reevaluate or get it in?

both are fine.
12-18-2007 , 08:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by clowntable
lol website defacements are so 90s
the qu4ck 4tt4ck is going to deface your avatar.
12-18-2007 , 08:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bubaloo
i think this is a pretty standard spot, but i was taking a shot at 1/2 so im unsure if i played it right, villain had just sat down.....

Pacific Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Hero: $221.2
CO: $47.35
Button: $413.48
SB: $195
BB: $280.6

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is UTG with Q Q
Hero raises to $8, 2 folds, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: 9 8 7 ($18, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $14, SB raises to $38, Hero.....?

call/reevaluate or get it in?
Ugh..What an ugly board that is. Im a pussy and would muck it. There really isn't much that you are beating on that board. So many two pair combos/sets have you crushed, and the best case is you're up against a FD. Id make a note of this hand against him and move on.
12-18-2007 , 08:32 PM
from the 2008 goals thread, since it's kinda off topic for that thread:

Quote:
Originally Posted by BGnight
I've kinda recently had some "aha" moments about my game and tilt and killing $200nl as a result.
care to share? give us a little advance preview of your well post =)
12-18-2007 , 08:34 PM
thanks for the responses....i ended up raising and getting it in, he had top set. i thought it was pretty close at the time, but i just stoved a range fairly wide range:

Hand 0: 22.785% 22.16% 00.62% 8777 246.00 { QcQh }
Hand 1: 77.215% 76.59% 00.62% 30331 246.00 { TT-77, AsQs, AsJs, AsTs, QsTs, JTs, T8s, 98s, JTo }

and it doesnt look close at all. lame, i always get too aggro when taking a shot. also, after about 30 hands this villains stats were 15/4/3 (lol)
12-18-2007 , 08:35 PM
Including JTo there and not a bunch of hands like T9o is really dishonest imo.
12-18-2007 , 08:40 PM
ime people think JTo is a lot stronger than T9o (broadway cards yo!) and are more likely to call raises w/ it.

edit: if you want, make a range for this unknown, it will probs be more accurate than mine as i lost the hand
12-18-2007 , 08:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanj247
from the 2008 goals thread, since it's kinda off topic for that thread:



care to share? give us a little advance preview of your well post =)
Lol, I'm not worthy for a well post. Tbh, I've watched a lot of good videos lately and have just been reading 2+2. I still don't KNOW why some of the things are good that I do, but at least I know they ARE. Mainly, I can read hands better, don't tilt as much, don't do too many spewy moves, and recognize better spots for 3betting/squeezing/4bet bluffing/etc....that right there will skyrocket your winrate. Running good helps too

It is wierd cuz it did happen all of a sudden. My pfr/vpip/wwsf literally shot up in one session and I haven't looked back so far
12-18-2007 , 08:44 PM
did you get that poker mindset book in the end?
12-18-2007 , 08:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by clowntable
lol website defacements are so 90s
viral web marketing is so 00s

i dont want to give it all away, but there is a lot to this if you look around
12-18-2007 , 08:49 PM
I got the pokermindset book, but have only read like 10 pages
12-18-2007 , 08:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AE6
viral web marketing is so 00s

i dont want to give it all away, but there is a lot to this if you look around
lol, because poker players are going to eagerly band together to solve the mystery like it's the ****ing Halo 2 launch again?

That actually makes a lot of sense now that I go back and read the qu4ck3rs stuff again, but lol at using that as marketing.
12-18-2007 , 08:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BGnight
Lol, I'm not worthy for a well post. Tbh, I've watched a lot of good videos lately and have just been reading 2+2. I still don't KNOW why some of the things are good that I do, but at least I know they ARE. Mainly, I can read hands better, don't tilt as much, don't do too many spewy moves, and recognize better spots for 3betting/squeezing/4bet bluffing/etc....that right there will skyrocket your winrate. Running good helps too

It is wierd cuz it did happen all of a sudden. My pfr/vpip/wwsf literally shot up in one session and I haven't looked back so far
can you think of a specific example of a play/move/hand/situation that you've recently realized "aha! i should/shouldn't do THAT"?
12-18-2007 , 08:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BGnight
I got the pokermindset book, but have only read like 10 pages
hey i just ordered that, how is it so far?
12-18-2007 , 08:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Goomashroom
hey i just ordered that, how is it so far?
Actually, it seems pretty cool if you have any trouble w/ tilt. Definitely worthy imo. I would read it but have a hard time reading poker books these days.
12-18-2007 , 09:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by goofyballer
lol, because poker players are going to eagerly band together to solve the mystery like it's the ****ing Halo 2 launch again?

That actually makes a lot of sense now that I go back and read the qu4ck3rs stuff again, but lol at using that as marketing.
you're such a negative nancy, i dont think i will let you on my puzzle solving team
12-18-2007 , 09:18 PM
Hey, on the bright side I'm many valuable contributors to the 2+2 community in the Zoo and NVG would be happy to assist you with your puzzle solving quest
12-18-2007 , 09:23 PM
Much for Mr. 10/9. Not sure he even has the odds once I 5bet shove. This is essentially without history.

Poker Stars $0.50/$1.00 No Limit Hold'em - 3 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (SB): $312.50
Poker Ogre (BB): $55.05
gawdawaful (BTN): $113.35

Pre Flop: Hero is SB with K K
gawdawaful raises to $4, Hero raises to $14, 1 fold, gawdawaful raises to $31, Hero raises to $312.50 all in, gawdawaful calls $82.35 all in

Flop: ($227.70) T 7 Q (2 players - 2 are all in)

Turn: ($227.70) 9 (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($227.70) 5 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: $227.70
Hero shows Kh Kc (a pair of Kings)
gawdawaful shows 9d As (a flush, Ace high)
gawdawaful wins $226.70
(Rake: $1.00)
12-18-2007 , 09:35 PM
Justice is served.

Poker Stars $0.50/$1.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (BTN): $212.10
Stoli88 (SB): $80.00
judas1305 (BB): $84.95
Poker Ogre (UTG): $39.70
gawdawaful (MP): $232.65
J-B_69 (CO): $110.75

Pre Flop: Hero is BTN with T T
1 fold, gawdawaful raises to $4, 1 fold, Hero calls $4, 2 folds

Flop: ($9.50) 8 J T (2 players)
gawdawaful bets $7, Hero raises to $26, gawdawaful calls $19

Turn: ($61.50) J (2 players)
gawdawaful checks, Hero bets $45, gawdawaful calls $45

River: ($151.50) 3 (2 players)
gawdawaful checks, Hero bets $137.10 all in, gawdawaful calls $137.10

Spoiler:
Final Pot: $425.70
Hero shows Th Td (a full house, Tens full of Jacks)
gawdawaful shows 8s 8d (a full house, Eights full of Jacks)
Hero wins $422.70
(Rake: $3.00)
12-18-2007 , 09:36 PM
anyone been messing around with holdem manager? comparing myself to some big winners, i noticed a couple things, but i'm not sure what they mean.

1) my turn cbet% is WAY higher. like 60% vs 31-37%. does this mean that i double barrel too much? or that i delayed cbet too much? (flop cbet % is about the same, 71%) wasn't shizzle just in here telling us we need to double barrel a lot more? lol

2) my river fold vs cbet is way lower. 16% vs 43-50%. i guess this means i'm a cs on the river, but i'm perplexed because my flop & turn fold vs cbet are about the same. are good players really making a habit of calling two streets and then folding the river? or am i misinterpreting this?

      
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