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02-11-2009 , 01:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arvid2k7
5bet bluffing for 100BB is total spew imo
With people 4betting to like 28BB's and some people doing it on bluffs a lot I'd have to imagine that there are spots where 5bet bluffing 100BB's deep would not be spew.

Though I guess if stacks were a little deeper the 5bet bluff would be better.



But like I said I've never had it work. 0 for lifetime.
02-11-2009 , 01:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lego05
Can anyone show me a 5bet bluff that worked? See a bunch in here that failed but never any that worked. And personally I am 0 for lifetime at getting a 5bet bluff to work though I have then sucked out and won a few of them.
They work, but i have to admit that i'm probably down a lot with 5b bluffs.
02-11-2009 , 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by skibbel
cause i don't like to fold 85% of my bb to his steal.
I'm trying to come up with a good analogy for how ******ed this statement is... but I got nothin.
02-11-2009 , 01:40 PM
At a quick glance through my last 100k hands I see I think 2 5bet bluffs that worked (one was HU) and 8 that didn't work.


Poker Stars $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 36069
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

SB: $196.80
BB: $186.20
UTG: $13.20
CO: $124.85
Hero (BTN): $100.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BTN with T 9
1 fold, CO raises to $3, Hero raises to $10, 2 folds, CO raises to $27, Hero raises to $100 all in, 1 fold


Poker Stars $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players - View hand 36072
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN/SB: $107.00
Hero (BB): $107.40

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with 9 8
BTN/SB raises to $3, Hero raises to $11, BTN/SB raises to $24, Hero raises to $107.40 all in, 1 fold
02-11-2009 , 01:44 PM
Any pointers/reads/etc for a newbie?
02-11-2009 , 01:46 PM
K8s is an easy flat in the bb, your adjustments to light 4betting are really bad..

just start 3betting to jam a wider value range, something like 77+, AJ+, balance that with 1/3rd random trash hands, and flat the hands with inherent postflop value and play a hand in position.
02-11-2009 , 02:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by klink10k
K8s is an easy flat in the bb, your adjustments to light 4betting are really bad..

just start 3betting to jam a wider value range, something like 77+, AJ+, balance that with 1/3rd random trash hands, and flat the hands with inherent postflop value and play a hand in position.

He's OOP in the K8s hand.


You're flatting K8s in the big blind vs. a button raise?
02-11-2009 , 02:18 PM
oh i thought it was from the sb, my bad.

its a pretty easy fold, there are much better hands that you can 3bet to 5bet here.
02-11-2009 , 02:22 PM
maybe ppl are nits and dont 4b/fold alot
02-11-2009 , 02:26 PM
I might take a shot at 3 betting the K8s if you thought he was opening a wide range, but it's just complete garbage to play in 4/5 bet pots thereafter.. just chuck it or try to hit a flop and slow down.
02-11-2009 , 02:28 PM
Does 3 and 5 bet shoving hands like KQo and AQo constitute 5 bet bluffing if you have reasonable belief the guy is folding 99-JJ?
02-11-2009 , 02:30 PM
There are people who 4bet/fold 99-JJ?
02-11-2009 , 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by HBomb
Does 3 and 5 bet shoving hands like KQo and AQo constitute 5 bet bluffing if you have reasonable belief the guy is folding 99-JJ?
Ah ... I haven't generally considered 5bet shoving AQ to be bluffing though maybe it's close and could be considered as such I guess.

Maybe KQ.
02-11-2009 , 02:36 PM
02-11-2009 , 02:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by HBomb
Does 3 and 5 bet shoving hands like KQo and AQo constitute 5 bet bluffing if you have reasonable belief the guy is folding 99-JJ?
If I'm 3+ betting KQ/AQ/AJ I usually consider it to be for value.

Too much strat in this thread!

02-11-2009 , 02:38 PM
5bet shoving AK can be considered a bluff by that logic..
02-11-2009 , 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by HBomb
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02-11-2009 , 02:42 PM
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02-11-2009 , 02:43 PM
How the hell do u make so many spoilers?
02-11-2009 , 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Brian O'Nolan
If I'm 3+ betting KQ/AQ/AJ I usually consider it to be for value.

Too much strat in this thread!

Are you making any reference to the Westminster Dog show that finished yesterday?
02-11-2009 , 02:44 PM
ugh, gg servers
02-11-2009 , 02:46 PM
hbombizlle 2/4 graph to date plz
02-11-2009 , 02:46 PM
ya, forgot the caption... "Best in Show, Interspecies Rape"
02-11-2009 , 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by HBomb
How the hell do u make so many spoilers?
i love spoilers

they do different things depending how u insert them in

and i figure if people dont want to waste tiem with my nonsense, well u dont have to
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02-11-2009 , 02:52 PM
maybe in 2012 or so we 4bet/call KJ for value :-o

      
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