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06-07-2010 , 03:09 AM
ul Fritzy....nice run though

Running like god at 50nl rush tonight, first time I've felt I've played good since March....stopped my spew calls so hopefully be back at 100nl after Vegas
06-07-2010 , 05:09 AM
guess this is old, but cracked me up!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOoSGR_1qSk



ps. gogogo durrrr
06-07-2010 , 05:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Lusky
anyone else here playing WSOP Event #16 6max in 12 hours from now?
holla ill prob be wearing a red hat with a white L on it so if im at ur table watch out!
06-07-2010 , 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by skraper
guess this is old, but cracked me up!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOoSGR_1qSk
haha
06-07-2010 , 09:44 AM
Lol how is Durrrr getting 2-1 vs Negreanu. Depending on the volume he wants to put in it's pretty juicy for him at even money I'd say.
06-07-2010 , 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by bilbo-san
yeah, I meant calling the 5bet is -EV, and everyone seems to agree with that

those that think 4bet/calling is +EV have yet to explain how 4bet/folding is +EV, and if it isn't, how making a -EV 4bet followed by a -EV call is mysteriously +EV
Can't believe this debate is still going on, I had a response to 3 people typed up 2 nights ago and then decided not to respond to let this die.

The reason people are saying calling the 5bet is -EV is because of what we are assuming EM's 5bet range is, and what he claims his 5bet range is. If we assume that he's only shoving TT+ and AK then calling with 99 is -EV. But it's impossible to assume somebodies range is that narrow in a spot like this. There is always the element of "he thinks I 3bet this fish light so he's 4betting light let me jam my KQs." And just because we don't think EM will do this and EM claims he won't do this doesn't mean you shouldn't factor in the potential "bluff" 5bet jams into EM's range. Nobody never bluffs in a spot like this, everybody will from time to time level themselves into jamming with a hand they would normally fold. Even if this only happens 5% of the time and when he does if it also includes hands like 76s then all of a sudden 99 does much better against a 5bet shoving range then people would assume.

I could also be wrong in assuming that 100nl players are ever 5bet bluff shoving in this spot. I just know what happens in the games I've played and what I might do.
06-07-2010 , 11:47 AM
3betting a fish with 76s OTB is absolutely terrible.
06-07-2010 , 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by clowntable
Lol how is Durrrr getting 2-1 vs Negreanu. Depending on the volume he wants to put in it's pretty juicy for him at even money I'd say.
because daniel is better at the stud games which get like 200 player fields where as durrrr is playing $1500 NLH events w/ 2k player fields.
06-07-2010 , 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by pokeriseasy
Can't believe this debate is still going on, I had a response to 3 people typed up 2 nights ago and then decided not to respond to let this die.

The reason people are saying calling the 5bet is -EV is because of what we are assuming EM's 5bet range is, and what he claims his 5bet range is. If we assume that he's only shoving TT+ and AK then calling with 99 is -EV. But it's impossible to assume somebodies range is that narrow in a spot like this. There is always the element of "he thinks I 3bet this fish light so he's 4betting light let me jam my KQs." And just because we don't think EM will do this and EM claims he won't do this doesn't mean you shouldn't factor in the potential "bluff" 5bet jams into EM's range. Nobody never bluffs in a spot like this, everybody will from time to time level themselves into jamming with a hand they would normally fold. Even if this only happens 5% of the time and when he does if it also includes hands like 76s then all of a sudden 99 does much better against a 5bet shoving range then people would assume.

I could also be wrong in assuming that 100nl players are ever 5bet bluff shoving in this spot. I just know what happens in the games I've played and what I might do.
you are thinking waaaaay too much for NL100

bolded part is also important in any game. nobody plays like you, there might be similarities, but nobody has 100% match with other people's thought processes/tendencies, especially at NL100 where there is ~1 level of thinking. they have cards and that's what they're playing in spots like these 99.9% of the time
06-07-2010 , 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by LT22
you are thinking waaaaay too much for NL100

bolded part is also important in any game. nobody plays like you, there might be similarities, but nobody has 100% match with other people's thought processes/tendencies, especially at NL100 where there is ~1 level of thinking. they have cards and that's what they're playing in spots like these 99.9% of the time
Lol, this is probably it, and I recognize that it's definitely a possibility that I'm just giving too much credit to the thought process at 100nl, I'm also pretty sure I have this same problem at 200nl. I think just overall I give people too much credit for being capable of more than they really are.
06-07-2010 , 12:24 PM
OK i have a weird question.

No HH because there isn't one spot that defines it well.

100-120bbs deep

Preflop: blah blah blah, hero opens KK btn, gets 3bet by bb, call.
flop: AAx. villan checks, hero 1/2pots, villain c/raises 2.5x

I'm never folding here, but pretty much everything looks strong. There are similar situations where you cbet a flop, turn is a bad card for your range and you get c/raised, but you can't ever play back without the nuts, but villain doesn't have the nuts a ton of the time because say he had to have a gutter on the flop. But hero does have the nuts in his range more than villain does but it makes up a small % of both our ranges.

So in both spots i've had bad success at just cib'ing and hoping for spazz, but i think calling just sucks because he's shutting down so much.

What can hero do?
06-07-2010 , 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by blah-blah-blah
because daniel is better at the stud games which get like 200 player fields where as durrrr is playing $1500 NLH events w/ 2k player fields.
Maybe but iirc Tom plays in the big game at Bellagio often so he has to be at least ok in all the limit games
06-07-2010 , 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by skraper
guess this is old, but cracked me up!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOoSGR_1qSk
LMAO, this is what I imagine Ship Heart doing every time he wins a pot.
06-07-2010 , 01:32 PM
lol does TANOyTERRIER ever NOT have 6 here?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

Hero (MP) ($100.50)
CO ($80.40)
TANOyTERRIER (BTN) ($154.25)
SB ($28.45)
BB ($100)
UTG ($101)

Preflop: Hero is MP with J, A
1 fold, Hero bets $3, 1 fold, TANOyTERRIER calls $3, 2 folds

Flop: ($7.50) 5, 9, 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $5, TANOyTERRIER calls $5

Turn: ($17.50) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $9, TANOyTERRIER raises to $30
06-07-2010 , 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by dHazed
lol does TANOyTERRIER ever NOT have 6 here?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

Hero (MP) ($100.50)
CO ($80.40)
TANOyTERRIER (BTN) ($154.25)
SB ($28.45)
BB ($100)
UTG ($101)

Preflop: Hero is MP with J, A
1 fold, Hero bets $3, 1 fold, TANOyTERRIER calls $3, 2 folds

Flop: ($7.50) 5, 9, 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $5, TANOyTERRIER calls $5

Turn: ($17.50) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $9, TANOyTERRIER raises to $30
he'll probably show up w/ JThh sometimes.
06-07-2010 , 02:12 PM
$1500 6max in 45 minutes, GL everyone
sport the PPA patches
06-07-2010 , 03:03 PM
I just played a bizzaro session where I misclick shoved A high into a boat; misclick min 4bet AK and had villain get there and got raped by ship hearts run goot for two stacks

I had a few misclick minraises recently, somehow the input for bet amounts is lagging a bit I think. Does anyone else have that problem?
06-07-2010 , 03:06 PM
Is anyone here using the 2p2 marketplace to sell themselves for the Main Event?

Or is like chipmeup just way easier/better?
06-07-2010 , 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by clowntable
I just played a bizzaro session where I misclick shoved A high into a boat; misclick min 4bet AK and had villain get there and got raped by ship hearts run goot for two stacks

I had a few misclick minraises recently, somehow the input for bet amounts is lagging a bit I think. Does anyone else have that problem?
It's happened to me too, the lucky thing is that it's just been preflop so I just opened to $4 which I do sometimes anyways, so no biggie.

But Table Ninja f'ed up when I was trying it out and got me to cold 4bet mash pot with Q5o so I had to call it off when other guy shoved AK and I lost a stack because of it.
06-07-2010 , 03:55 PM
Out of the 6max and another tourney I played at the same time.
06-07-2010 , 06:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by clowntable
I just played a bizzaro session where I misclick shoved A high into a boat; misclick min 4bet AK and had villain get there and got raped by ship hearts run goot for two stacks

I had a few misclick minraises recently, somehow the input for bet amounts is lagging a bit I think. Does anyone else have that problem?
Oh, so it isn't just me? Man, I'm misclicking ALL the time. Anytime you guys see me raising 2$, feel free to hop in and exploit my dumb misclicking brain.

I also min-squeezed to 7$ today, which was just horrible, luckily I hit topset and still made a few bucks, but still!

Do you think it has something to do with the input for bet amounts? Really? I just assumed I was a moron.
06-07-2010 , 08:12 PM
I have done some stuff like that too. The FTP buttons are "sticky" lately.
06-07-2010 , 08:15 PM
Same with me...min raising a few times each session
06-07-2010 , 08:24 PM
is the sticky buttons actually ftp's fault? I just assumed it was tableninja's
06-07-2010 , 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Grue
is the sticky buttons actually ftp's fault? I just assumed it was tableninja's
I use pokershortcuts and don't use it for betting, so I doubt it.

      
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