a lot faster, they have a chart on the ironman page somewhere

i mean i do agree with you a % of the time its good to change it up and play a hand like you're suggested, but you should be getting it in most of the time

Probably really doesnt matter what I do here, its super close either way and more annoying than anything else. Rush poker, so no reads.
Some facts:
I need 45.4% equity to call profitably
I have 46% equity vs AA
I have > 50% equity vs QQ+
I am 39% vs a set

Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (BTN): $102.00
SB: $220.40
BB: $77.50
UTG: $105.25
MP: $152.15
CO: $142.30

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BTN with 3 K
3 folds, Hero raises to $3, 1 fold, BB raises to $7, Hero calls $4

Flop: ($14.50) 2 4 5 (2 players)
BB bets $70.50 all in

I think this is a really clear call just based on how rarely you're going to be up against a set/straight and how well you do against an overpair<KK.

snap snap snap

Did you include Ahxh in the ranges?

these two things seem to make it closer, but idk how to balance the two in my range for villain snap openshoving. I just thought it was interesting because its probably within a few bb's of neutral EV. Not a significant leak either way, I was just curious what people thought on this close of a spot (I called pretty fast fwiw)

snaplar and embrace the variance (he can have flushdraws you crush too)

How on Earth is our equity "meh" when we get it in? We will always be at least a 2:1 against any hand. If getting it in with 67% equity is "meh" then you must be the biggest nit on the planet.

anyone have the G9 mouse and using table ninja ??

god these rush players are so f***ing back, i can't tell you how many times people have flatted my 4b 100bbs deep oop and flopped a set today.... fffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

i don't understand what the hell you are talking about? you think you need to balance this spot with draws? not that its relevant, but you are very wrong.

what range do we have 67% equity against that he is 3bet/calling here?

if these are serious posts, wtf.

1. we win the pot when he has air on later streets, so its pretty irrelevant.
2. this is dumb, if anything we want more money to go in when we do hit our draw. We have no real reason to inflate the pot.
3. explain? if he 3balls you here, you get 0 free cards, and we don't see turns/rivers cheaper with this line.

your other points are incorrect as well, do you think anyone folds sets bvb when a flush comes in? i doubt anyone folds a even 2 pair bvb, i don't know why you think people will make absurd hero folds on the turn.

What calling range are you assigning where we have 67% equity. Against a reasonable stack off range I don't think it will pass 56%.

The whole idea with the hand is you can get it in better and actually make plays with your hand on the turn/river as opposed to just getting it in flipping for dead money. Just my thoughts on that.

1. if he 2 barrels you and you don't have odds or 3 barrels you and you miss, you've wasted your draw
2. we want money in the pot when our equity is good, flop fold equity + actual equity = a good spot to get money in (+ 2 cards to come)
3. if by 3ball you mean 3bet, i'm getting it in and i'm happy. if by 3ball you mean 3barrel, then that's one reason to raise the flop to get free cards

the point is to maximize our profit vs his range, not only when he has 2pr+. we want him to stack off w/ AT vs our draw, which he won't do once the flush hits.

edit: fwiw, i'm not saying you're wrong, we can easily play the hand both ways

mmm

I have only 1 thing to add to the "89s hand debate".

WE HAVE THE NUUUUUTS!!!!!.

slowplay or raise whatever no one can be bad.

These are the fun ones.

but we don't have the nuts, we actually don't have equity with a psr of 12 to get it in vs. a lot of ranges.

i think that ultimately you have an OESD + FD and the only way you could grossly **** up the hand would be to misclick fold

health pup

is he crazy or is it just me?

Why do you guys go on and on about such a standard hand? The OP asked if this is spewy? Yeah its spewy to get get in your straight and flush draws...let's not waste more time here.

blah, i don't even know where to start complaining....

down w/ AA over 8k hands, 10/22 times i've had KK the flop has come Axx, i've had 8x10^47 sets hit on me, blah blah blah blah, stuck 11 bi's.....enjoy the women



[ ] spewy
[x] not spewy

[ ]not leveled
[x] leveled

if i see you smooth call this hand and end up seeing your cards, next time when i have AT, JJ+ i this spot im just snap folding, ie good job not getting paid off with a range that has AT JJ+ crushed... if that was a serious post maybe i was leveled.