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NL50 fire 3 ? NL50 fire 3 ?

11-30-2015 , 04:00 PM
Winamax - €0.50 NL (5 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (CO): 113.24 BB
BTN: 73.2 BB (VPIP: 34.38, PFR: 21.88, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 65)
SB: 39.5 BB (VPIP: 58.47, PFR: 9.60, 3Bet Preflop: 3.55, Hands: 371)
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 53.57, PFR: 32.14, 3Bet Preflop: 4.55, Hands: 60)
UTG: 143.76 BB (VPIP: 52.99, PFR: 0.85, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 123)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A Q

fold, Hero raises to 2.3 BB, BTN calls 2.3 BB, fold, BB calls 1.3 BB

Flop: (7.4 BB, 3 players) 7 J J
BB checks, Hero bets 3.7 BB, fold, BB calls 3.7 BB

Turn: (14.8 BB, 2 players) 6
BB checks, Hero checks

River: (14.8 BB, 2 players) 5
BB bets 9.86 BB, fold

BB wins 23.7 BB


Is it better to just fire 3 here from the turn we all our equity and the pressure from our range ?
Also still ok to cbet flop if we're not barelling ?
11-30-2015 , 04:32 PM
Flop bet is fine with your equity and Jx blockers.

Fish isn't folding a ton of hands ott of course, but you probably do have some FE against small PPs and the like. There's another aspect of it which tends to get overlooked, and it's the fact that it's a very drawy board and a fish isn't folding a flushdraw (and maybe not even a gutshot), so you're actually valuebetting against a large part of his range (with the added benefit of being able to check back river if you miss).

If you checkback turn you'll likely get blown off the best hand a decent amount of the time otr, but probably not enough to bluffcatch (you need better reads for that). So by betting and staying in the drivers seat, you fold out better a small% of the time, valubet some% of the time and likely earn a free showdown (he might even donkbluff some of your outs; clubs, Ax).

Firing 3 is spew vs fish without good reads.
11-30-2015 , 11:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nirwanda
Flop bet is fine with your equity and Jx blockers.

Fish isn't folding a ton of hands ott of course, but you probably do have some FE against small PPs and the like. There's another aspect of it which tends to get overlooked, and it's the fact that it's a very drawy board and a fish isn't folding a flushdraw (and maybe not even a gutshot), so you're actually valuebetting against a large part of his range (with the added benefit of being able to check back river if you miss).

If you checkback turn you'll likely get blown off the best hand a decent amount of the time otr, but probably not enough to bluffcatch (you need better reads for that). So by betting and staying in the drivers seat, you fold out better a small% of the time, valubet some% of the time and likely earn a free showdown (he might even donkbluff some of your outs; clubs, Ax).

Firing 3 is spew vs fish without good reads.
would you have checked turn if the second heart is a diamond instead? 9drier board)
11-30-2015 , 11:10 PM
I'm between checking back flop and betting. If you do bet flop think you should probably bet turn to try and fold out PP and such as flop bet a lone probably doesn't get much done.
11-30-2015 , 11:12 PM
Kinda what was said. I don't think I'd fire three. Because we turned the FD it's really read dependent--sometimes I bet turn (part semi-bluff, part value). If we bricked turn I'd fire it most of the time.
11-30-2015 , 11:39 PM
prefer continuuing ott as played for nirwanda's reasons

xing flop is ok, jus betting as a default vs. most people tho.
12-01-2015 , 12:25 AM
Against a fish who are generally passive/stationy i think i do like x/b flop. against regs would have to decide how i play my whole range but usually betting.
12-01-2015 , 03:56 AM
Yea i think i don't like fire 3 because he's just never gonna fold anything
I didn't really thought about betting turn for litlle-bluff little-value little protection litlle realize our showdown thought, it makes good sense
12-01-2015 , 05:36 AM
I like tb due to drawing range of fish along with getting some small pps to fold.
I 3rd barrel K rivers

      
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