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01-31-2012 , 11:40 AM
Well, the Cardrunners dudes opened DraftDay (same thing as the website you mentioned) last year and here's what their website says specifically about that:

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DraftDay offers fantasy sports games in compliance with federal law. Fantasy sports games are exempted under the 2006 Unlawful Internet Gaming Enforcement Act as long as three criteria are met:

All prizes and awards offered to winning participants are established and made known to the participants in advance of the game or contest and their value is not determined by the number of participants or the amount of any fees paid by participants.

All winning outcomes reflect the relative knowledge and skill of the participants and are determined predominantly by accumulated statistical results of the performance of individuals (athletes in the case of sports events) in multiple real-world sporting or other events.

No winning outcome is based:

On the score, point spread, or any performance or performances of any single real world team or any combination of such teams; or

Solely on any single performance of an individual athlete in any single real-world sporting or other event.


DraftDay follows these federal requirements for every game we offer. Unfortunately, our attorneys advised us that a handful of states (including Arizona, Iowa, Louisiana, Maryland, Montana, Vermont, and Puerto Rico) have unclear laws or other restrictions that make the cost of doing business there too high for us. We regret we cannot accept deposits from residents of those states at this time.
01-31-2012 , 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by bilbo-san
Can any lawyers in this thread explain to me why http://www.draftstreet.com is exempt from UIEGA? They have daily fantasy leagues with entries from $2 to $55 dollars. How is this not gambling the same way that poker is?

In fact, shouldn't it be WORSE for them, since the 1966 wire act does apply to sportsbetting, and you could make a very strong argument that playing in a fantasy league with a payout is sportsbetting?

I mean, I get that they probably get around it with some clever wordage, etc, but it all seems pretty transparent to me and I don't get why some ****ing lawyer with a hardon to make some noise isn't targeting them.
Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act of 2006
The Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act of 2006, which was an amendment to the larger and unrelated SAFE Port Act, included "carve out" language that clarified the legality of fantasy sports. It was signed into law on October 13, 2006 by President George W. Bush. The act makes transactions from banks or similar institutions to online gambling sites illegal, with the notable exceptions of fantasy sports, online lotteries and horse/harness racing.
The bill specifically exempts fantasy sports games, educational games, or any online contest that "has an outcome that reflects the relative knowledge of the participants, or their skill at physical reaction or physical manipulation (but not chance), and, in the case of a fantasy or simulation sports game, has an outcome that is determined predominantly by accumulated statistical results of sporting events, including any non-participant's individual performances in such sporting events..."[36]
However, all prizing must be determined in advance of the competition and can not be influenced by the fees or number of participants. Fantasy sports are considered gambling and therefore illegal if the competition does not meet this rule: "prizes and awards offered to winning participants are established and made known to the participants in advance of the game or contest and their value is not determined by the number of participants or the amount of any fees paid by those participants." [37]

Not that i agree with their distinction, but there it is
01-31-2012 , 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by champstark
Well, the Cardrunners dudes opened DraftDay (same thing as the website you mentioned) last year and here's what their website says specifically about that:
This is hilarious because THIS:

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All prizes and awards offered to winning participants are established and made known to the participants in advance of the game or contest and their value is not determined by the number of participants or the amount of any fees paid by participants.
Means it is a license to print money. I.e. if we say the prize is $350 and the entrance fee is $10, and we get $1000 in entrants, we keep $650.

So lol. It's patently obvious that a poker tournament where the house takes a fix % as rake is a more "fair" payout than these, AINEC. Hell, ****ing BLACKJACK offers better odds even if you suck at it. The idea that any idiot could believe that such a clause makes this better, not worse, than true gambling is just laughable.

I mean, I know politicians are ****ing morons but sometimes it just boggles my mind that we have people making our decisions who are just barely ****ing smart enough to tie their goddamned shoelaces.
01-31-2012 , 12:31 PM
well they probably just make the law according to how much money they get from various lobbying groups, but yes they are also definitely moronic

also, this is why I laugh whenever I see any of the PPA stuff on here--people really don't get that what they are doing will never, ever work or have any real impact because they mean nothing next to the horse racing industry, sports betting industry, or any of the major casino groups
01-31-2012 , 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by bilbo-san
I mean, I know politicians are ****ing morons but sometimes it just boggles my mind that we have people making our decisions who are just barely ****ing smart enough to tie their goddamned shoelaces.
I'm surprised you didn't hear about this at the time. This is part of the reason the UIGEA was such a big deal to me - it was a bit of an eye opener as to how politics are made. I don't think it's because they're dumb, I think it's because Kyle/First/Goodlatte/Leach are corrupt as ****.

I doubt that many successful politicians are dumb. It's just that the skillset to run a country is a different skillset to getting elected. Sometimes you get overlap. And sometimes you know enough about a subject to realise what the politicians are doing and it's hard to understand it until you look at it from the angle of "will this increase their chances of being elected or not?". See the republican elections.

Last edited by Sciolist; 01-31-2012 at 01:33 PM.
01-31-2012 , 01:57 PM
Obviously laws are pushed by corrupt politicians. But the lobbyists are not buying ALL of congress.

The ****ing morons I am talking about are the ones who have (had) no skin in the game, but voted for it anyway on the basis of clauses like this that somehow appeal to their moral sensibilities.
01-31-2012 , 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by bilbo-san
This is hilarious because THIS:



Means it is a license to print money. I.e. if we say the prize is $350 and the entrance fee is $10, and we get $1000 in entrants, we keep $650.

So lol. It's patently obvious that a poker tournament where the house takes a fix % as rake is a more "fair" payout than these, AINEC. Hell, ****ing BLACKJACK offers better odds even if you suck at it. The idea that any idiot could believe that such a clause makes this better, not worse, than true gambling is just laughable.

I mean, I know politicians are ****ing morons but sometimes it just boggles my mind that we have people making our decisions who are just barely ****ing smart enough to tie their goddamned shoelaces.
It's different than poker because most poker tourneys have uncapped field-sizes and all the games at DD have fixed field-sizes.
01-31-2012 , 03:33 PM
01-31-2012 , 03:36 PM
how long do Neteller bank wires usually take to hit your bank account? they said 1-10 days
is it closer to 1 or 10 days?
01-31-2012 , 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by champstark
well they probably just make the law according to how much money they get from various lobbying groups, but yes they are also definitely moronic

also, this is why I laugh whenever I see any of the PPA stuff on here--people really don't get that what they are doing will never, ever work or have any real impact because they mean nothing next to the horse racing industry, sports betting industry, or any of the major casino groups
I tend to agree with you about the PPA thing although the recent results of the SOPA "internet protests" gave me hope that politicians sometimes listen to people.
02-01-2012 , 07:27 PM
They don't listen to people, they listen to campaign contributions and polling numbers.
02-01-2012 , 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by bware
They don't listen to people, they listen to campaign contributions and polling numbers.
This post is contradictory. The best way to listen to a large group of people is through a poll
02-03-2012 , 11:36 AM
no February thread yet? someone go start one!

02-03-2012 , 11:41 AM
This is the 2012 thread fish!
02-03-2012 , 12:30 PM
fml
02-03-2012 , 12:31 PM
gay title threw me off
02-03-2012 , 12:38 PM
First time snow this winter here. 10cm fell. Still f sick (2 weeks now) and this morning I woke up with f red dots all over my body (except my **** - did check this thoroughly). Went to doctor for third time and got now Levocetrizine, because my doctor thinks it's an effect of the antibiotics that he gave me. Those pills make you f sleepy :s
02-03-2012 , 01:24 PM
ugh, going to be 6-12 inches here for snow this weekend. fml


anyone here ever do tough mudder or warrior dash? there's a WD coming this summer (and a TM next year). thinking about doing WD because alot of friends are doing it, but meh.
02-03-2012 , 01:48 PM
Lots of my friends did WD this past summer. Looks fun to me!
02-03-2012 , 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Chaos_ult
Lots of my friends did WD this past summer. Looks fun to me!
Yeah my friends enjoyed WD as well.
02-03-2012 , 03:07 PM
Speaking of snow, just saw this

02-03-2012 , 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by curve
First time snow this winter here. 10cm fell. Still f sick (2 weeks now) and this morning I woke up with f red dots all over my body (except my **** - did check this thoroughly). Went to doctor for third time and got now Levocetrizine, because my doctor thinks it's an effect of the antibiotics that he gave me. Those pills make you f sleepy :s
Central Europe sucks donkey balls snowwise this year imo. Also: got a new job, and after the first day got covered with red dots all over my body. Never had any allergies. Had red dots five days in a row and then it disappeared.
02-04-2012 , 04:36 AM
yeah but I react really bad on antibiotics. I had a pretty severe shoulder injury from training and got 3 things injected in my shoulder muscle there. Like Cortizone and other stuff... That **** made me hallucinate (everything was blurry) and you know your subconscience will always tell you if something is wrong and good told me to drive 200kmph+ because nobody was allowed to take me over otherwise their would be an accident and stuff. I ****ing tripped like 4 days from that stuff.

Drove from Antwerp - Leuven in 30 minutes or something (normally +- hour)
02-04-2012 , 04:43 AM
Some might argue that you react really well to antibiotics.
02-04-2012 , 04:56 AM
yeah hella fun not being able to put your change in your wallet after you purchase something and everything falls on the ground and you start shouting at yourself and people look at you going wtf is wrong with this kid :/ Atleast I wore my 1200 euro suit so they helped me.

Oh yeah I kept working at my internship while being high and told them. They admired my perseverance!

      
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