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08-10-2008 , 05:43 PM
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random thought but you also have to take into account the number of times he has JJ/QQ and the flop comes Axx or something and you get no value or he has AK and the flop is all blanks. Also he is going to suck out on you with an overpair about 1 out of 10 times.
08-10-2008 , 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Llama88
random thought but you also have to take into account the number of times he has JJ/QQ and the flop comes Axx or something and you get no value or he has AK and the flop is all blanks. Also he is going to suck out on you with an overpair about 1 out of 5 times.
FYP.


If you have 33 on a 3XX flop, you have no idea if he has a higher set.

20% of the time that you flop a set, the combination of the probabilities that he has a higher set or turns/rivers one is 20%.
08-10-2008 , 06:02 PM
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I dont want to have a go but if your way + in these situations by just playing for set value then why would you want to change just because its what people are doing on videos?

I dont know how on earth you could be way up playing like this but if uv been a pro for 5years thats a huge hand sample to still be + from...
08-10-2008 , 07:36 PM
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I dont want to have a go but if your way + in these situations by just playing for set value then why would you want to change just because its what people are doing on videos?

I dont know how on earth you could be way up playing like this but if uv been a pro for 5years thats a huge hand sample to still be + from...
well i am way up in these spots because i DON'T play fit/fold. I play them for value some and i also bluff as if i hit a set often as well. So its not then i am interested in changing necessarily because you are right, I am UP in these spots. But i am not up just because of set value.

My main intention here was to just find out if playing them for set value mainle was a bad idea.
08-10-2008 , 07:41 PM
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I call bs on this and want screenshots. Filter 22-88 for a call facing 3bt over a nice sample of a few hundred thousand hands (which I guess should not be an issue since you have played pro for 5 years) with 100BB stacks and less and show us the results please.
08-10-2008 , 07:48 PM
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well in these spots i am really not trying to outplay them much. i am more looking to set up on flop and stack em for a big pot. Is this the wrong approach?


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well i am way up in these spots because i DON'T play fit/fold. I play them for value some and i also bluff as if i hit a set often as well. So its not then i am interested in changing necessarily because you are right, I am UP in these spots. But i am not up just because of set value.

My main intention here was to just find out if playing them for set value mainle was a bad idea.
mhm

i don't get the point in trign to protect some 2p2 identity. just thank everyone for their input, improve your play. you don't have to sit around and try to prove to us you are winning.

also, of course everyone would be wrong in your "good ol party poker days" because people 3bet less back then. you are posting a thread about today's games not some magical fantasy poker land.
08-10-2008 , 08:24 PM
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mhm

i don't get the point in trign to protect some 2p2 identity. just thank everyone for their input, improve your play. you don't have to sit around and try to prove to us you are winning.

also, of course everyone would be wrong in your "good ol party poker days" because people 3bet less back then. you are posting a thread about today's games not some magical fantasy poker land.
right.. it was a joke. lighten up

and furthermore, you are also right i dont have to prove ****. thats ridiculous. what does it matter. I ask a simple question about 3bet pots with pairs and there is always a few jackasses that turn every thread into a thread about who is better and who sucks. thats lame. if you dont have input, then dont say anything. I also dont give two ****s about protecting 2p2 identity..half of the morons here dont have a clue. anyways, thanks for those of you with insightful information and willingness to discuss relevant issues.
08-10-2008 , 08:58 PM
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FYP.


If you have 33 on a 3XX flop, you have no idea if he has a higher set.

20% of the time that you flop a set, the combination of the probabilities that he has a higher set or turns/rivers one is 20%.
This is just plain wrong. You are going to sucked out 8-13% of the time and be setted over setted about 1% of the time. This all assumes he has a higher pocket pair.
08-10-2008 , 09:06 PM
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Board: 2h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 81.049% 80.88% 00.17% 2596554 5580.00 { 22 }
Hand 1: 18.951% 18.78% 00.17% 602856 5580.00 { AA }
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