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09-30-2013 , 10:56 PM
this_passing, video coach for cardrunners and posts here on 2p2 ssplo too.

please also check your private message, i replied to your message.

cheers
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10-01-2013 , 06:13 AM
I second this_passing. Received coaching a while back and he is a nice guy and good coach.
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10-01-2013 , 10:23 AM
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this_passing, video coach for cardrunners and posts here on 2p2 ssplo too.

please also check your private message, i replied to your message.

cheers
Thanks for the detailed explanation, I appreciate it. I have already signed up for RunitOnce, however I only have the Essential package. I have seen all those videos and really they only have 1 coach at the plo50 and 1 coach that mostly is a deep table specialist, he plays mostly plo200 and above.

At the moment I really want to see instructors play the levels I am playing, I do not doubt watching videos of coaches playing plo200 and above will offer me something however.

I hope I can get some more 2P2'ers chime in on who their favourite coach is for plo50 and 100.

I should clarify that I was not looking for coaching but for videos from instructors playing plo50 and 100. (Can't afford coaching yet)

Cheers guys
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10-01-2013 , 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by bompter
I second this_passing. Received coaching a while back and he is a nice guy and good coach.
Thanks, I will look into him.

Cheers
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10-01-2013 , 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Tsar of Russia
Thanks for the detailed explanation, I appreciate it. I have already signed up for RunitOnce, however I only have the Essential package. I have seen all those videos and really they only have 1 coach at the plo50 and 1 coach that mostly is a deep table specialist, he plays mostly plo200 and above.

At the moment I really want to see instructors play the levels I am playing, I do not doubt watching videos of coaches playing plo200 and above will offer me something however.

I hope I can get some more 2P2'ers chime in on who their favourite coach is for plo50 and 100.

I should clarify that I was not looking for coaching but for videos from instructors playing plo50 and 100. (Can't afford coaching yet)

Cheers guys
RIO is pretty much where it's at in terms of PLO at the moment. Everyone is hired by the Biggest Boss aka Galfond. Coldwell is very good and Sam Lang is a beast. Their thought processes are what's important. Galfond has also produced some "essential vids" as well and for $9.99. You won't find anything better for that price. It really is a bargain.

Cardrunners also have some great coaches. Passing, GGaRJ has some micro vids on their, yrmom also coaches there. Get both to be honest but if you're on a budget it has to be RIO ainec.
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10-01-2013 , 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by bompter
RIO is pretty much where it's at in terms of PLO at the moment. Everyone is hired by the Biggest Boss aka Galfond. Coldwell is very good and Sam Lang is a beast. Their thought processes are what's important. Galfond has also produced some "essential vids" as well and for $9.99. You won't find anything better for that price. It really is a bargain.

Cardrunners also have some great coaches. Passing, GGaRJ has some micro vids on their, yrmom also coaches there. Get both to be honest but if you're on a budget it has to be RIO ainec.
Yeah I agree with you, both Tom and Sam are very good. The thing with thought process and game stake is it can be tricky to implement in my own game. Thing is PLO 200 plays different to PLO50 and when viewing Sam's videos for example his plays might not be optimal for PLO 50.

Do you think Blue Fire Poker has any good coaches?
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10-02-2013 , 03:25 AM
What should the variance/swings be like in 2/2 plo live?

I've played about 15 sessions @ 6+ hrs per session.
I try to follow GGRJ's starting hand list.

best was +10 bi, worse was -5 bi (went home broke).
i'm up 2 bi overall.

just trying to judge if i'm a winning plo player or a lucky fish
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10-02-2013 , 04:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Tsar of Russia

Do you think Blue Fire Poker has any good coaches?
No

RIO and cardrunners are your best choices
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10-02-2013 , 08:00 AM
AA, the truth is there's no data to analyse apart from winnings. You could try playing micro-PLO online just to create a sample, we'd have at least some indication.

Solid preflop play is a start, but avoiding big mistakes postflop is much more important
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10-04-2013 , 02:59 PM
Maybe somebody can help me, I'm looking for wells from plo mtt players (or threads about plo mtt strat).

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10-04-2013 , 05:13 PM
lol, pretty sure they don't exist, very few specialists

Paulo Joha has a few threads on HHs/strat, I think

Just released some commercial content myself
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10-04-2013 , 06:31 PM
Yeah GGARJ's series on CR is the only PLO MTT series I know of. I don't watch leggo/bluefire/DC to be honest though
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10-05-2013 , 05:08 AM
Hey, I have heard that double pairs are good to 3bet oop. Could anyone explain this to me? Is it because we can just get it in on pretty much 1/4 flops when we hit our set?

Do we have to fold them to a 4bet because it will mostly just be AA/KK and we will have 33% equity? Or is doublepair a good hand to resteal/get it in as something similar to NLH AK in this spot? 100bb deep.

Thank you.
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10-05-2013 , 06:13 AM
There's not a forum for this, so I thought I'd ask here. Are there any good guides to limit Omaha High?

Found a live mixed game with that as one of the mix, and really don't have too much idea about starting hands, etc. It's a loose game with most flops 5-8 handed, so someone always has a monster postflop.
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10-05-2013 , 06:18 AM
PokerStars - $0.02 PL Hi FAST (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 105.5 BB
SB: 55.5 BB
BB: 180.5 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
UTG: 122 BB (VPIP: 15.15, PFR: 12.12, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 68)
MP: 138.5 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)
CO: 135 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 9 8 5 4

fold, MP raises to 3.5 BB, CO calls 3.5 BB, Hero raises to 15.5 BB, fold, fold, MP raises to 51.5 BB, fold, Hero calls 36 BB

Flop: (108 BB, 2 players) T J T
MP bets 87 BB and is all-in, fold

I don't really want to play this hand multiway, but it is a good spot to 3bet right? The 4bet I assume is AA so how did I play this?
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10-05-2013 , 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by BigPoppa
There's not a forum for this, so I thought I'd ask here. Are there any good guides to limit Omaha High?

Found a live mixed game with that as one of the mix, and really don't have too much idea about starting hands, etc. It's a loose game with most flops 5-8 handed, so someone always has a monster postflop.
Jeff Hwangs - Pot limit omaha book has a section for limit omaha, you should probably read that one.
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10-05-2013 , 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Salats
Hey, I have heard that double pairs are good to 3bet oop. Could anyone explain this to me? Is it because we can just get it in on pretty much 1/4 flops when we hit our set?

Do we have to fold them to a 4bet because it will mostly just be AA/KK and we will have 33% equity? Or is doublepair a good hand to resteal/get it in as something similar to NLH AK in this spot? 100bb deep.

Thank you.
They play really simple postflop in 3bet pots because you flop polarized. So you either flop a set and happily stackoff, or flop nada and happily bluff. Moreover, small and medium sets play kind of poor in multiway pots, so you're happier lowering the SPR and number of players to the flop.

You usually have the odds to setmine a 4bet with a double pair+suit or double pair+connectivity at 100bb stack sizes. At microstakes, I think it would be atrocious to 5bet a double pair >95% of the time, since people only 4bet AA and stackoff the KK they 4bet
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10-05-2013 , 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Salats
Jeff Hwangs - Pot limit omaha book has a section for limit omaha, you should probably read that one.
Thanks
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10-05-2013 , 06:51 PM
Hello, I'm new here, any help appreciated.

I'm currently turning my attention to 6max 0.01/0.02$ PLO at Pokerstars and I have no idea how I should play AA.
Unless I flop a set, I'll have just an overpair and I feel my hand is too weak against 2 or more players on the flop, which is usually the case.

I'm tired of raising preflop, only to get 3 callers and the flop comes 789 so I instafold on the flop. Even if the flop is dryer, I get bet or raised a lot on the flop.

Lately, I don't even raise preflop anymore and just try to flop that set for the lowest investment possible.

What am I doing wrong?
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10-05-2013 , 09:32 PM
AA72r is very different from AAJTds, limp the former, pot the latter pre.

At nano/microstakes, u should lean towards playing nutty hands since they play well multiways. These include big pocket pairs, high rundowns and suited aces. With such a range, u can raise pre for value most of the time and just give up multiways when u don't connect. Hands like AA/KK/QQ/JJxxr with very poor floppability u can limp as u rarely hit the flop, but when u do u hit strong.

So when you're thinking about raising vs limping pre, think about how well/often it flops strong. Isolation is also a consideration, but works less often at micros where people are floppaholics.
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10-06-2013 , 02:17 AM
In nl holdem set over set is so uncommon that it's negligible. I see a lot of advise saying it is much more common in Omaha and to be careful facing a lot of action. However I can't seem to find the exact chances of this happening? Assuming everyone plays their pps to the flop what percentage chance is there of set/set occurring?
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10-06-2013 , 03:26 AM
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Originally Posted by yrmom
They play really simple postflop in 3bet pots because you flop polarized. So you either flop a set and happily stackoff, or flop nada and happily bluff. Moreover, small and medium sets play kind of poor in multiway pots, so you're happier lowering the SPR and number of players to the flop.

You usually have the odds to setmine a 4bet with a double pair+suit or double pair+connectivity at 100bb stack sizes. At microstakes, I think it would be atrocious to 5bet a double pair >95% of the time, since people only 4bet AA and stackoff the KK they 4bet
I guess this hand is something similar to doublepairs then?

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 9 8 5 4

fold, MP raises to 3.5 BB, CO calls 3.5 BB, Hero raises to 15.5 BB, fold, fold, MP raises to 51.5 BB, fold, Hero calls 36 BB

Flop: (108 BB, 2 players) T J T
MP bets 87 BB and is all-in, fold

I don't really want to play this hand multiway, but it is a good spot to 3bet right? The 4bet I assume is AA so I should just flat?
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10-06-2013 , 03:35 AM
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Originally Posted by GoGetaRealJob
AA72r is very different from AAJTds, limp the former, pot the latter pre.

At nano/microstakes, u should lean towards playing nutty hands since they play well multiways. These include big pocket pairs, high rundowns and suited aces. With such a range, u can raise pre for value most of the time and just give up multiways when u don't connect. Hands like AA/KK/QQ/JJxxr with very poor floppability u can limp as u rarely hit the flop, but when u do u hit strong.

So when you're thinking about raising vs limping pre, think about how well/often it flops strong. Isolation is also a consideration, but works less often at micros where people are floppaholics.
Thank you. What is the meaning of 'xxr' in AAxxr?
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10-06-2013 , 07:55 AM
Disconnected sidecards, rainbow (no suit)
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10-06-2013 , 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Salats
I guess this hand is something similar to doublepairs then?

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 9 8 5 4

fold, MP raises to 3.5 BB, CO calls 3.5 BB, Hero raises to 15.5 BB, fold, fold, MP raises to 51.5 BB, fold, Hero calls 36 BB

Flop: (108 BB, 2 players) T J T
MP bets 87 BB and is all-in, fold

I don't really want to play this hand multiway, but it is a good spot to 3bet right? The 4bet I assume is AA so I should just flat?
I wouldn't go around advocating 3betting 9854ds agaisnt an MP open at low stakes. It seems like spew in almost all scenarios you'd run across.

Note in that 98[54] the 54 is really bad, those are 2 wheel cards which never flop anything dominating. So even in spots you would want to 3bet a lot, like BTN vs CO, it's pretty far down the list of hands you want in your 3bet range
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