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08-07-2016 , 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Darkfangs
Played my first live plo game yesterday. Was listed online as a 1-3 game but was essentially a 2-5 game, with min raise open required to be at least $10 and often times people were straddling $10 so it played pretty deep. I didn't know this before going so I brought $600 with me which doesn't go very far and I was basically playing between 20-30bb deep. Played similar to plo10 or plo5 online, definitely worse than plo25, limpfest around, nobody was under 50%vpip and some were 75%+. (10-max)

It was actually a mixed plo and plo8 game, haven't played a hand of plo8 in over a year and have less then 10k hands lifetime. Totally not prepared for that. I watched Doug polk play plo8 for like 20 minutes within the last two weeks but that was heads up so pretty useless.

Had to wait over 2 hours to get a seat (only one game running), other than NL which I don't think I could beat NL25 so I refused to play that. Nothing to do while waiting and I refuse to play -EV games at the casino (I'm a buzzkill) I basically sat nearby and chatted with the players and watched. Seemed like everybody else knew each other on a first name basis, they were all asking me questions about where I normally play. I said I never played at this casino before and a friend told me to try it out. (They could smell the BS far away on that) They poked and prodded and asked if I played at basically every casino in a 5 hour drive, and I decided to go with the line that I play 10-25 buck homegames with friends. Half the table were basically licking their lips and trying to get someone to leave so I could sit. Nobody would leave though because they all wanted to play with me. I found this extremely hilarious, I was also asking all kinds of stupid question, like can I read the rules and basic poker questions to drive the point home. I also got asked a couple strategy questions on what I would do which was so obvious they were trying to gauge my skill level so I threw out the stupidest lines I could think of that might be believable and somehow they were agreeing with me. (This was like half the fun of the night was playing the stereotypical fish and since I had never actually played live before the acting was kind of believable because I had a hard time dealing with chips).

When I finally got my seat I got to play for like 3 hours before the game broke but it was a lot of fun. I played absolutely terrible, their terrible passive fishness rubbed off on me the first hour or two and I didn't actually play my normal game not much before it broke. It took me a long time to adjust to how bad everyone was. I did get to abuse my image hard postflop though, since I played about 25% vpip everyone assumed I was some uber nit post so after everyone limps for 10 bucks I get to double barrel and collect every pot I want.

They did ask if I was an online player when I cashed so out so the jig is up there but the game was so soft it doesn't matter. I ended up leaving with slightly more than I brought and I had a lot of fun. Will probably go back after I get some PLO8 hands in and actually study it. I think hourlies of 100+ are possible once I learn plo8 and actually play my A game.

Just wanted to share my first time playing in a casino, it was a lot of fun. Cheers and sorry for the huge post.
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08-07-2016 , 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by sauhund
ADD in da house
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08-07-2016 , 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Oink
Im dead serious when I claim that a very good PLO player who can manoeuvre the live donks can make 100bb/100 hands in such a game.
thats a deadly serious statement

EDIT: i am curious how you would explain to an online player, where do you gain such edge for 100bb/100 from a technical viewpoint ;P . afaik i think for best profitability i should play only around 10% hands so i am the dominating one?

Last edited by TrueHeart; 08-07-2016 at 12:42 PM.
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08-07-2016 , 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by SeaKing
If a player is winning at 8bb/100 at 50PLO while paying 15bb/100 in rake this would mean their edge pre-rake is 23bb. If you move this same player to an environment where they are raked only 11bb/100 instead their edge on the field can be half as much while retaining profitability. If you look at the difference between 50 and 100, the latter game is most certainly not twice as tough for an 8bb/100 winner at 50, not even close. This means that if you have a substantial winrate at 50 you can already beat 100 whether you believe it or not!

Is there anyone who can give the real numbers for pokerstars rake % difference between PLO25, PLO50 and PLO100? As I understood it SeaKings numbers were just examples.

Most interested in difference between 50 and 100 and how much smaller can the winrate in PLO100 to break even compared to PLO50...
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08-07-2016 , 06:14 PM
I paid 13bb/100 at 50z and 15bb/100 at 25z my samples were more than 50k hands each stake. I play a normal reggish style at 28/18/6. I'm sure if you played tighter or looser it would significantly effect the rake paid.
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08-07-2016 , 10:52 PM
If you're paying 13 at zoom, you would almost certainly be paying 15 at regular tables, the 50zoom pool is by far the nittiest and worst raketrap out of all pools 2 - 500 and its not close. I dont think my estimations of:

8 at 200
11 at 100
15 at 50
17+(?)at 25

are that far off from what most 2p2 Stars players on the TAG side both pre and postflop would be paying at each stake.
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08-08-2016 , 05:55 AM
Just found this thread, will stick around. Got some hands to discuss.

Here's one:
SB opens pot, we flat with AcTd9c3.
Flop QdJd4s
Check check
Turn Ko
Check 4bb->6bb
SB Raises to 18bb
We flat
River Ad
SB bets 24.xxBB with 50bb behind.
I sigh-snapped river. With our Td blocker, is jamming to fold chops ever preferable to flatting?
TY
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08-08-2016 , 02:40 PM
Gotta post something into cyberspace again.. i am very stressed about what utter bs is happening to me at plo100 while taking shot :



At the same time everytime i step to plo50, i am just murdering it, i played some extra hands since my last graph :



I kinda dont want to believe i can go from almost 9bb to b/e and there is only 1 stake difference ... there gotta be mental problems again -.- .. i remember same thing was happening to me when i was playing plo25 and shoting to plo50.. my first 200K hands at plo50 were -4bb/100 while plo25 something like +11bb
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08-08-2016 , 03:50 PM
Fwiw, as I mentioned a few posts ago, I murdered $50. However, at the start of $100, I was losing > $100/hr for the first 14 hours there. I turned it around and you will to. Keep your head up and good luck.
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08-08-2016 , 04:02 PM
@ True Heart
Welcome at the club, like me I get crushed at PLO100 at the moment but can win at PLO50. Do you playing at stars?
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08-08-2016 , 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by MartinK1979
@ True Heart
Welcome at the club, like me I get crushed at PLO100 at the moment but can win at PLO50. Do you playing at stars?
yes its stars

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Originally Posted by .isolated
Fwiw, as I mentioned a few posts ago, I murdered $50. However, at the start of $100, I was losing > $100/hr for the first 14 hours there. I turned it around and you will to. Keep your head up and good luck.
thank you sir
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08-08-2016 , 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by TrueHeart
yes its stars
There are more better regs at PLO100 thats for sure. They are way more aggro compare to the standards PLO50 regs.
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08-09-2016 , 07:52 AM
sometimes you just know it's coming

    Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37410988

    BTN: $25.47 (101.9 bb)
    SB: $17.06 (68.2 bb)
    BB: $111.20 (444.8 bb)
    UTG: $31.70 (126.8 bb)
    Hero (MP): $25 (100 bb)
    CO: $45.75 (183 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP with A T T A
    UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.75, 2 folds, SB calls $0.65, BB raises to $3, Hero raises to $9.75, SB folds, BB calls $6.75

    Flop: ($20.25) 8 8 4 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $15.25 and is all-in, BB calls $15.25

    Turn: ($50.75) 3 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
    River: ($50.75) Q (2 players, 1 is all-in)

    Results: $50.75 pot ($2 rake)
    Final Board: 8 8 4 3 Q
    BB showed 5 6 3 3 and won $48.75 ($23.75 net)
    Hero showed A T T A and lost (-$25 net)



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    08-09-2016 , 08:01 AM
    You should have gone with your instincts and check/fold...
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    08-09-2016 , 08:20 AM
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    Originally Posted by wabomushroom
    You should have gone with your instincts and check/fold...
    i meant he knew he would boat up
    seriously though, what goes through their minds when they make calls like this?
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    08-09-2016 , 08:56 AM
    It's not even a complete debacle of a disaster-call, he has 21% and needs 30%.

    Just be happy people make those calls, it's why poker is profitable

    I mean, don't get me wrong, it's a terrible call, just by far not the most terrible thing people do
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    08-09-2016 , 10:49 AM
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    Originally Posted by wabomushroom
    You should have gone with your instincts and check/fold...
    I think this is gonna be a new meme for August.
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    08-09-2016 , 03:44 PM
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    Originally Posted by gay_on_tse
    I think this is gonna be a new meme for August.
    as well as "instincts" being most common word used in august
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    08-10-2016 , 04:01 AM
    GTECH G2 (Boss) - C$0.30 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 4 players
    Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

    Hero (BTN): 339.07 BB
    SB: 101.33 BB (VPIP: 42.72, PFR: 8.16, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 625)
    BB: 177.33 BB (VPIP: 67.91, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3,207)
    CO: 37.33 BB (VPIP: 15.28, PFR: 6.94, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 72)

    SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

    Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A J J A

    fold, Hero raises to 3.5 BB, fold, BB calls 2.5 BB

    Flop: (7.5 BB, 2 players) J 8 T
    BB bets 5.6 BB, Hero calls 5.6 BB

    Turn: (18.7 BB, 2 players) T
    BB checks, Hero bets 14 BB, BB calls 14 BB

    River: (46.7 BB, 2 players) 9
    BB bets 46.7 BB, Hero raises to 186.8 BB, BB calls 107.53 BB and is all-in

    Hero shows A J J A (Full House, Jacks full of Tens)
    (Pre 65%, Flop 36%, Turn 98%)
    BB shows 8 9 Q K (Straight Flush, Queen High)
    (Pre 35%, Flop 64%, Turn 3%)
    BB wins 350.17 BB
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    08-10-2016 , 05:07 AM
    You had the fifth nuts. Did you know that?
    You had to consider folding to the river bet but raising is pretty spew.
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    08-10-2016 , 05:48 AM
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    Originally Posted by naggeri
    You had the fifth nuts. Did you know that?
    You had to consider folding to the river bet but raising is pretty spew.
    I don't know if you're kidding but this guy is an ultra whale, I'm never flatting here..
    Do you actually not raise this? I admit I didn't realize I only had the 5th nuts at the time, I just snap jammed..
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    08-10-2016 , 07:00 AM
    It's hard to know if someone is trolling or beeing serious as of late

    I'd like to hear other opinions but I'm raising her 100% against these type of players.
    There are a ton of hands he could be value betting that we crush.
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    08-10-2016 , 07:02 AM
    smap-calling his river bet expecting to lose a decent amount of the time tbh
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    08-10-2016 , 07:04 AM
    his line concerns me.i would shove myself most of the time, not 100% though, but there are 2 things that come to my mind when i see his line. 1.yes , bad players play this line with full houses (x/c turn, donk pot river), but equally 2. the river makes the situation so specific that he is really repping straight flushes when he donks pot and it did bring 3 straight flushes.

    i would call only if over a reasonable sample i saw his stats something like 22% river bet or less and/or WWSF 36% or less.. then i would be thinking too long but ultimately cry i cant raise and just call.
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    08-10-2016 , 07:12 AM
    Ok thanks guys, I will pay more attention to the straight flushing texture of the board in this situation in the future. I wasn't even looking at the time like I said, I just snap raised. Either way I would have raised against this guy but I definitely would be flatting in retrospect against good/ok players.
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