Not sure if playing 6-7 hours of Zoom a day is ridic easy.

Not sure I'd describe this as ridic easy 4 tabling zoom fries my brain at plo25 after a couple of hours and that's auto piloting a lot of places which I assume is going to get you skinned alive at plo100.

Problem with zoom is the large amount of 4 tabling nits that just force the vpp/hand rate through the floor.

^^ zoom is full of fish especially int he evening and its like free money on fri/sat night..
the nits auto fold and increase the hands/hour- they pretty just mkae it 5max but with an extra guy who loses alot of money to you postflop

I think I would find sne at 100 would be fairly easy if I treated it as a full time job. 4 zoom tables is actually pretty slow/boring imo-- 4 100 and 2 50 would reduce the hours required quite alot or 4x 100 zoom and 4-6 regular 100 tables.

The auto pilot problem is a good point... all depends on your thought mechanics and self awareness as to how much a problem it is.

Graphs or it didn't happen

well playing 100% plo might not be that easy but i think if you got say 600/700k vpps through zoom plo games and did the rest at w/e NLHE stakes, it'd seem fairly easy.

30k hands/m at 100plo and 100k hands at 100 fr zoom nlhe would = sne. although thats ~7.5 hrs of zoom/day

lol these are the times I don't play I need to shuffle my schedule around a bit.

I had one guy on my hud today with over 60 hands and his stats were 0/0/0, I'm sure his progress towards SNE is a little sluggish.

YouFaiil:
Have you ever tried to average 7hrs/day even for a month? I don't believe even 3% of winning regs could play that kind of hours for a year while still playing winning poker. Most poker I've ever played in a month is probably something like 120-130 hours and I felt I would've gone crazy if I would've kept up that kind of volume. And that wouldn't even be at pace for SNE at plo100.

I think it's much easier/lighter mentally to work a 200 hour month at ordinary job than 100+ hour at poker.

don't agree with this one.
i work ~210hrs per month and some months i have played 80hrs of poker on top of that.
getting poker hours in was waaaaay easier (taking into account that i wasn't under pressure to make a living with poker, but still, with solid brm you shouldn't feel very pressured anyway)

I agree easier 1:1 ration of hours but 200:100 and 'lighter menatally' depends on many variables.

Try talking/looking after a bi polar paranoid and megalomaniac schizophrenic with word confabulation in a manic phase for one hour. Brain feels like its 20 tabling final tables.

That said- going slightly or alot over your comfort zone with regards to hourly and daily volume is also very strenuous. The one huge advantage I had in playing poker for sole income was that I could sleep all I wanted to. And that is pretty huge because I was always well rested which makes a huge difference compared to going to work on 4 hours sleep/night because having to wake up well before dawn and livng off coffee.

It doesn't really matter if your working or going to school or whatever at the same time, it's completely different/independent at least for me. I'd estimate 80 hours of poker without work roughly as hard as 80 hours of poker while working 160 hours. I have no problem working 8+ hour days at normal job, but I couldn't imagine keeping up that kind of volume at poker, regardless if I was doing it on my freetime or as my main source of income.

Have you ever tried to play 150+ hours of poker in a month?

The main problem at poker is that if you are "forcing" yourself to put in a lot of volume, you're probably not playing your A game. What that means is worse hourly, or in some cases possibly even negative hourly. And my mood is highly dependent on my results, even if I know I shouldn't be result oriented, and know that 50bi downswing doesn't really effect my economy in any way, it still stresses me A LOT.

I'm probably in better situation than >95% of my peers wrt money and I don't even need to make a living from poker, but still downswings have always been really hard for me to handle.

My opinion too. I've played many 150+ hour months, but it really sucks.

Also one thing which makes poker a bit differently stressful is the fact that you're at your "office", aka home, all the time, so your spare time and time you work arent' that separated. At least that's a fact which makes stress for me..

Chinz hits it pretty accurately. Although, I do think it's a bit harder to get in volume while working a lot as well. Unless, you're still in the hobby phase of poker/playing for fun and not at all dependent on it for income in which case playing while working or not working are probably about the same. Getting in ~150 hours/mo is not easy, I've been struggling to get in 80 :/. Also, I don't think it's nearly possible to work as many hours playing good poker to a normal job. Almost every job has down time you can let your mind drift or do something not strenuous. If you do that for even a couple minutes of poker, it can be disastrous to your results. And that's not counting the time you need to put into poker off the table either. If I were to bull**** a ratio of an avg job working equivalent to poker working, it's probably something like 8 hours at a traditional job = 5.5 hours of poker grinding.

I think it's mostly that in poker you have to try and do your absolute best in every possible situation/decision, unlike in "real world situations" where you mostly are just doing something by routine, or something relatively trivial. If you have to draw, count or make something, you can either do it or don't do it. It's very rare that you'd constantly get into situations, where you constantly have to make really marginal decisions that have big effect on your work.

Not to mention the quality of work much more directly effects your results than in just about any job. If you do something sub-optimally or lose your focus at any point, it basically means you are losing money.

I'm not saying this makes poker annoying/awful to play or something, I really like the challenge. It's just not something I can do for several hours each day, as it's really draining. Just like I wouldn't want to do sudokus for 6 hours straight.




e: maybe move these posts to a new thread?

I've been thinking about this work stress thing a lot.

I'm an editor and I stress about my results all the time. I know I'm good and people tell me that constantly, but I still think that what if I will suck the next time. "You are only as good as your last creation" holds valid in my head. So I go through hours of material in my head while I go ie. shooting hoops or such, figuring out dramatic bits, funny bits and so on. I never do that with poker. Only sometimes a few hands bother me, but almost always the hands are so meh in the long run. Like "did I play my quads correctly?". My workload is not that large as I can come and go when I want to, but also spend a lot of the heavy lifting in my head on my spare time.

It's hard to quantify the amount of stress and is very dependant on your work - and how you feel about it. Most editors I know don't care at all what they do and thus don't stress at all.

Just as an addition... All the non creative work I've done has never left me drained. It's my current work that sometimes pulls out everything, and after I really don't feel like playing. If I worked at ie. a supermarket I would not have any problems playing poker after as if I wouldn't have worked at all...

I have gotten superscrewed by a telemarketer pushing electricity. I trusted what he said and now I am screwed on a $180 "administration fee"... So. ****ing. mad.

I just lost 7 buy-ins in 43 hands on a 5max table against 4 people running: 81/72, 65/42, 73/31 and 66/2. **** this rigged site, **** omaha. I swear to god, I am never again in my whole life playing another hand of omaha.

I 3bet one of the ******s from the BU, and get 2 callers. Flop comes AK2, check, check, I pot it, he raises all in with AJ43 and ships it with backdoor full house.

Three times I got wraps in a 4bet pot, just to find 2 pair and miss the turn and river.

Some guy isolated/called with 8889ss, some shortstack stacked off with JJJ3. Un-****ing-believable. Unbelievable.

This happens right after I take a break after a 20 buy-in in 700 hands downswing. What the ****ing ****.

i still disagree, and no, i have never had the energy to play 150+ hours of poker since i never had the energy to do that after work. the original question was about 100 hrs of poker or 200hrs of work per month, nothing about 150+ hours. i have played a handful of 100 hr months.

i have to be at work 8:30...no way i can leave before 18:00. normally from 8:30 to 19:00. every working day minus vacations. ~8hr working days are a walk in the park, try working ~11 hours per day for a couple of years in a row and you'll get the idea. playing poker you can choose to play when you want and you can choose your own schedule. that is something that many poker players have trouble realising how huge that is. you can play 3x 1hr10min sessions per day every day of the month as you choose, when your alertness and energy is the highest. some days you feel like playing more, some days you feel like playing less. not really so with normal work.

the steady salary from a work certainly makes it a lot easier to sit there for 200 hrs, but if i'm consistent winner at stakes where i can make a living, i don't see how too stress levels could be intolerable. in general i think poker players are remarkably lazy and whine way too much about everything and overreact to both downswings and upswings (definitely don't mean you personally, quite the opposite). depends where you work at, but you will most likely stress A LOT at work too. i certainly do.

regular job's strict schedule and looong working hours will wear you down a lot more than 100 hrs of poker even with downswings (again, given that your brm is solid). that's the case at least for me. interesting to see if i will have a different opinion in 2-3 years.

for a 5 year period with my current experience and knowledge, i would definitely take 100 hours of poker over 200 hours of work.

I am definitely in the job > poker camp, but some jobs just seem to suck. Like jobs with a lot of night shifts. Doesn't matter how much they pay, working 16 hours a row night time just seems to be horrible

I have completely loose working hours, except for meetings, but it just means I work until midnight every day because I am so lazy in the morning. So I don't know if it's good or not to have to start at 8:30 every day.

edit: I think under the "work whenever you want"-scheme there is strong social stigma associated with arriving later than 9 AM anyway. I think I am one of like two people at work who don't care about the stigma. I like to think I get away with it because I produce a lot of work, and it's very measurable. On the other hand, who knows, first impressions matter a ton and maybe it will hurt me. But I haaaaaate mornings

At my job they have core hours everybody is supposed to be in the office, 10-4 pm. really good solution imo.

move the above convo to the art of balance thread?

-lol_realjobs

im gonna post my life graph soon with a brief history soon. not that i want attention but spent way too much time playing poker and on this forum to just stop playing. it'll be like a recap for me too

What site? Where do they have 5 max?

Been working insanely hard at improving everything about my game. Ran bad again today but I don't care, thanks for the input the past few days from those who gave it.

I have overcome the negativity that was surrounding me, the time for commiseration and lying to myself is over, no more beats and variance, I'll only post winning graphs. No more hoping to win and/or run good. It feels like a job now, put in the hours, work hard then profit.

someone explain to me how this board pairs on river?

PokerStars - $1 PL Hi (6 max) ZOOM - Omaha - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $141.03
SB: $52.50
Hero (BB): $100.00
UTG: $362.69
MP: $92.00
CO: $87.20

SB posts SB $0.50, Hero posts BB $1.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero has J Q T K

fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to $3.00, Hero calls $2.00

Flop: ($6.00, 2 players) T A K
SB checks, Hero bets $5.00, SB calls $5.00

Turn: ($16.00, 2 players) 4
SB checks, Hero bets $12.00, SB calls $12.00

River: ($40.00, 2 players) T
SB checks, Hero checks

SB shows 4 A A 4 (Full House, Aces full of Tens) (Pre 66%, Flop 29%, Turn 15%)
Hero mucks J Q T K (Full House, Tens full of Kings) (Pre 34%, Flop 71%, Turn 85%)
SB wins $38.20