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05-22-2012 , 12:51 PM
thanks guys, i suppose i was worrying too much about the possibility of drawing nearly dead.
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05-23-2012 , 02:43 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Envoy222
Bump.
I cbet smaller to make him dump his many non A-hands. I dont think folding equity increases almost at all, by betting big here. Turn sizing depends what we hit and how willing we are to fire the river UI. But I rather fire 3 barrels than 2.
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05-23-2012 , 03:54 AM
Is the river bet ok?
My first thought is they have underboats more than nuts, on a second thought, I think most of these 55% vpip fishes simply lead out on paired river with non-nut boats, but when they have total nuts or quads they make a very bad attempt to checkraise. Now I don't know which of thought should gain more weight.

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PL Omaha $0.25(BB) Replayer
SB ($21.51)
Hero ($26.46)
UTG ($35.13)
CO ($9.45)
BTN ($62.77)

Dealt to Hero Q 3 A K

fold, CO calls $0.25, fold, SB calls $0.15, Hero checks

FLOP ($0.75) 5 6 A

SB checks, Hero bets $0.57, CO calls $0.57, SB raises to $2.50, Hero calls $1.93, CO calls $1.93

TURN ($8.25) 5 6 A 3

SB checks, Hero bets $6.75, CO folds, SB calls $6.75

RIVER ($21.75) 5 6 A 3 A

SB checks, Hero bets $16.96 (AI), SB calls $12.01 (AI)
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05-23-2012 , 04:17 AM
Shove flop, as played river shove is mandatory.
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05-23-2012 , 04:55 AM
original raiser is 50/45, shorty is a reg, 27/20/10

PokerStars - $0.50 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BB): $51.99
UTG: $76.67
MP: $43.25
CO: $16.16
BTN: $50.00
SB: $158.08

SB posts SB $0.25, Hero posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has K T J 9

fold, MP raises to $1.25, CO raises to $4.50, fold, fold, Hero calls $4.00, MP calls $3.25

Flop: ($13.75, 3 players) 2 9 5
Hero checks, MP checks, CO bets $11.66 and is all-in, Hero calls $11.66, MP raises to $38.75 and is all-in, fold
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05-23-2012 , 05:46 AM
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PL Omaha $1(BB) Replayer
Hero ($100)
($76.50)

Dealt to Hero J T 7 Q

raises to $2, Hero raises to $6, calls $4

FLOP ($12) 8 9 T

Hero ? calls $8


Im new in Omaha and would like to know ur opinion about best play here in vacuum. I mean c/c looks weak, b/c is like overplaying our hand, bet and think over ott if we get called? is b/f standart play?
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05-23-2012 , 06:30 AM
Yeah, he was so passive I guess I gave 66 and 55 more weight on the flop than two pair.
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05-23-2012 , 08:27 AM
How much we like medium top pair?

He can have sooo much different type of stuff it was very hard to evaluate my equity.

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Hero ($43.15)
BB ($9.49)
UTG ($25.87)
UTG+1 ($34.94)
CO ($15.50)
BTN ($27.52)

Dealt to Hero J K 9 Q

UTG raises to $0.85, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $2.75, fold, UTG calls $1.90

FLOP ($5.75) 3 9 7

Hero bets $4.25, UTG raises to $14.75, Hero folds (??)
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05-23-2012 , 08:58 AM
cbet less on the flop imo
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05-23-2012 , 09:51 AM
Not folding this
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05-23-2012 , 05:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sirin
original raiser is 50/45, shorty is a reg, 27/20/10

PokerStars - $0.50 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BB): $51.99
UTG: $76.67
MP: $43.25
CO: $16.16
BTN: $50.00
SB: $158.08

SB posts SB $0.25, Hero posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has K T J 9

fold, MP raises to $1.25, CO raises to $4.50, fold, fold, Hero calls $4.00, MP calls $3.25

Flop: ($13.75, 3 players) 2 9 5
Hero checks, MP checks, CO bets $11.66 and is all-in, Hero calls $11.66, MP raises to $38.75 and is all-in, fold
I like pre & flop if you called. You can't fold that much equity given the great price you're getting combined with how loose/bad villain is, if the 50/45 flopped a set so be it.
Do some stoving vs reasonable ranges, I'd say he has overpears, 9x, could have a low wrap, 2p & some sets too I guess.


Quote:
Originally Posted by AriS1337
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PL Omaha $1(BB) Replayer
Hero ($100)
($76.50)

Dealt to Hero J T 7 Q

raises to $2, Hero raises to $6, calls $4

FLOP ($12) 8 9 T

Hero ? calls $8


Im new in Omaha and would like to know ur opinion about best play here in vacuum. I mean c/c looks weak, b/c is like overplaying our hand, bet and think over ott if we get called? is b/f standart play?

It's opponent dependent. B/f is the standard, but it does depend a tonne on villain. You can b/f vs weak & passive opponents. I wouldn't b/c vs anyone.
c/c vs the right villain is viable for sure, like if he's the type who'll fire two then give up river cause he thinks you have it too often/aren't folding then go for c/c, but readless, keep it simple, you can't go too far wrong with b/f.
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05-23-2012 , 05:09 PM
I don't think this one is worthy of it's own thread.
Villain is 44/21, not differentiating by position.
I opted to fire two rather than one or three cause I see bad villains sometimes take this line with overpears. It doesn't make much sense but I think often they wanna get to showdown cheap & will c/c one otf & give up turn cause "I have it"
Once he calls turn he has like, scared sets that are now slowplaying (?), op+fd, 5x or the lower straight (?)
But I could be mis reading his range on this board, hence the post, thoughts?


    Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
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    SB: $3.78 (37.8 bb)
    BB: $12.07 (120.7 bb)
    MP: $7.13 (71.3 bb)
    Hero (CO): $11.98 (119.8 bb)
    BTN: $15.32 (153.2 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with T T Q J
    MP raises to $0.30, Hero calls $0.30, 2 folds, BB calls $0.20

    Flop: ($0.95) 4 5 3 (3 players)
    BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $0.70, BB folds, MP calls $0.70

    Turn: ($2.35) 5 (2 players)
    MP checks, Hero bets $1.60, MP calls $1.60

    River: ($5.55) 3 (2 players)
    MP checks, Hero checks

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    05-23-2012 , 08:17 PM
    i wouldnt bet flop and give up ott
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    05-23-2012 , 08:19 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Osterror
    How much we like medium top pair?

    He can have sooo much different type of stuff it was very hard to evaluate my equity.

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    PL Omaha $0.25(BB) Poker Stars
    Hero ($43.15)
    BB ($9.49)
    UTG ($25.87)
    UTG+1 ($34.94)
    CO ($15.50)
    BTN ($27.52)

    Dealt to Hero J K 9 Q

    UTG raises to $0.85, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $2.75, fold, UTG calls $1.90

    FLOP ($5.75) 3 9 7

    Hero bets $4.25, UTG raises to $14.75, Hero folds (??)
    yea b/f
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    05-24-2012 , 05:50 PM
    This was a weird hand for me.
    Villain is 71/29 over <20 hands. I think cbetting here is mandatory, vs most villains with his stats we won't get c/r without them having a made hand, which he doesn't have often cause of his stats.
    I'd say, my 6+K are often good when I turn em, my is good, a 5 gives me the nuts & I'd say a T will be good a high % of the time too.

    Once he c/r then checks what do you think he has, if he had a draw I'd expect him to bet again, the same with a made hand obv. So I sort of thought he had a weak draw that wanted to see the river cheap or pure air. Given the board texture I'd say he could have a bare straight draw or weak fd that went for a bluff?
    I tried to take it down ott for cheep but I'm not mad about it cause if he has a 9 he's ahead, if I had a J I'd be fine with vbetting but as it is I'm rarely vbetting so imo check back is good.

    Any river thoughts? It seems given my above assessment that maybe I should bluff, but I'm afraid the way it ran out+his stats that he'll call me very light, like 9x.


      Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 4 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      SB: $19.67 (196.7 bb)
      BB: $21.54 (215.4 bb)
      Hero (CO): $10 (100 bb)
      BTN: $12.96 (129.6 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is CO with 6 7 K 8
      Hero raises to $0.30, BTN folds, SB calls $0.25, BB folds

      Flop: ($0.70) J 9 6 (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $0.50, SB raises to $1.96, Hero calls $1.46

      Turn: ($4.62) 3 (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $2, SB calls $2

      River: ($8.62) 2 (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero checks



      Thoughts?
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      05-24-2012 , 08:35 PM
      ship flop, check turn
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      05-25-2012 , 11:20 AM
      Villain is unknown. ez call?

      [converted_hand][hand_history]Prima, $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      Hero (BB): $78.34 (156.7 bb)
      MP: $22.50 (45 bb)
      CO: $70.94 (141.9 bb)
      BTN: $48.87 (97.7 bb)
      SB: $23.62 (47.2 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with A A 3 9
      2 folds, BTN raises to $1.50, SB calls $1.25, Hero raises to $6, BTN calls $4.50, SB folds

      Flop: ($13.50) K 6 7 (2 players)
      Hero bets $8, BTN raises to $37.50, Hero raises to $67, BTN calls $5.37 and is all-in
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      05-25-2012 , 11:33 AM
      I play it the same. He should have a lot of semibluffs, and you have bdfd.
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      05-25-2012 , 12:33 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Johan5390
      ship flop, check turn
      I thought my straight draw was to ****ty on this board, plus my 6 only works with a K or another 6 if he has 2p. Or does my decent fd somewhat compensate for that cause he'll have a dominated fd sometimes?
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      05-25-2012 , 03:22 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by LostEmail
      Villain is unknown. ez call?

      [converted_hand][hand_history]Prima, $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      Hero (BB): $78.34 (156.7 bb)
      MP: $22.50 (45 bb)
      CO: $70.94 (141.9 bb)
      BTN: $48.87 (97.7 bb)
      SB: $23.62 (47.2 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with A A 3 9
      2 folds, BTN raises to $1.50, SB calls $1.25, Hero raises to $6, BTN calls $4.50, SB folds

      Flop: ($13.50) K 6 7 (2 players)
      Hero bets $8, BTN raises to $37.50, Hero raises to $67, BTN calls $5.37 and is all-in
      not much wrong done SPR being what, 3+? Ok to ship imo
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      05-26-2012 , 05:10 AM
      i'm folding to raise in LostEmail hand
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      05-26-2012 , 06:17 AM
      Commited, gotta go with it.

      I'd bet bigger on flop. I don't want to end up turn with that hand
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      05-26-2012 , 11:14 AM
      LostEmail´s hand. Don´t 3bet you don´t want to bloat the pot 3way with those crappy aces and you can´t get enough of your stack in on the flop. Fold to flop raise on this dry if it where a suited flopp I would shove. If the villian usually bluffraise this dry flops it´s ok to shove.
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      05-27-2012 , 09:43 PM
      quick questions:
      how much buyins you recommend for plo100?
      is it much tougher then plo50?
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      05-28-2012 , 06:44 AM
      PokerStars Hand #81123533038: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2012/05/28 10:28:22 UTC [2012/05/28 6:28:22 ET]
      Table 'Gotha' 6-max
      Seat 1: Wolfram222 ($242.08 in chips)
      Seat 2: Bummi04 ($50 in chips)
      Seat 3: JeveStobs123 ($96 in chips)
      Seat 4: RiskStar ($86.17 in chips)
      Seat 5: OllowainTim ($287.09 in chips)
      Seat 6: Superfizzy ($228.14 in chips)
      Bummi04: posts small blind $0.50
      JeveStobs123: posts big blind $1
      *** HOLE CARDS ***
      Dealt to Wolfram222 [Qd As 6d Js]
      RiskStar: folds
      OllowainTim: folds
      Superfizzy: folds
      Wolfram222: raises $2 to $3
      Bummi04: folds
      JeveStobs123: raises $6.50 to $9.50
      Wolfram222: raises $6.50 to $16
      JeveStobs123: calls $6.50
      *** FLOP *** [Td 7d Jh]
      JeveStobs123: checks
      Wolfram222: bets $16

      Can't get the hand converter to convert zoom hands

      Two questions. Does anybody else do stuff like this pre? No stats on villain.
      I think flop is a std bet but how much to bet?
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