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05-28-2012 , 07:01 AM
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$0.50/$1 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
6 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($86.17)
UTG+1 ($287.09)
CO ($228.14)
Hero (BTN) ($242.08)
SB ($50)
BB ($96)

Pre-Flop: ($1.50, 6 players) Hero is BTN Q A 6 J
3 folds, Hero raises to $3, 1 fold, BB raises to $9.50, Hero raises to $16, BB calls $6.50

Flop: 10 7 J ($32.50, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $16

Final Pot: $32.50


^^Flat his 3b and std flop imo
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05-28-2012 , 07:05 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfram
PokerStars Hand #81123533038: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2012/05/28 10:28:22 UTC [2012/05/28 6:28:22 ET]
Table 'Gotha' 6-max
Seat 1: Wolfram222 ($242.08 in chips)
Seat 2: Bummi04 ($50 in chips)
Seat 3: JeveStobs123 ($96 in chips)
Seat 4: RiskStar ($86.17 in chips)
Seat 5: OllowainTim ($287.09 in chips)
Seat 6: Superfizzy ($228.14 in chips)
Bummi04: posts small blind $0.50
JeveStobs123: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Wolfram222 [Qd As 6d Js]
RiskStar: folds
OllowainTim: folds
Superfizzy: folds
Wolfram222: raises $2 to $3
Bummi04: folds
JeveStobs123: raises $6.50 to $9.50
Wolfram222: raises $6.50 to $16
JeveStobs123: calls $6.50
*** FLOP *** [Td 7d Jh]
JeveStobs123: checks
Wolfram222: bets $16

Can't get the hand converter to convert zoom hands

Two questions. Does anybody else do stuff like this pre? No stats on villain.
I think flop is a std bet but how much to bet?
If an unknown 3bets me I will put him on aces until proven otherwise so this isn´t a good 4bet then. Even if your opponent 3bets 15% I wouldn´t 4bet this. But when they´re maniacs and 3bets 35% or something like that then I think this becomes a good 4bet and it would be even better if you were deeper. If you had a 8 instead of a 6 then it´s much better hand to 4bet against a wide 3bet rangee.

Yeah a bet on the flop is mandatory, I would bet something like 40% to represent a weak hand and induce. But if you pot it he´ll probably call on this wet board so I wouldn´t mind a pot shove.
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05-28-2012 , 08:38 AM
What about the 4-bet sizing? I clicked it back.
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05-28-2012 , 11:30 AM
4betting is good against aggro 3bettor. 15% 3bet more than enough. Not sure I like the sizing, many may read into that and "bluff"-5bet you.
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05-28-2012 , 11:37 AM
villain with 96bb and no idea how often he 3b vs btn steal, i'd rather flat the 3b and use position. i don't like the click back
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05-28-2012 , 02:59 PM
BB is hardly known - it's our 7th hand - so no notes besides double min-d**king with a weak hand, halfpotting on a flushy board and folding one of his buttons. Any comments are welcome, esp ott. Thanks.
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Pot-Limit Omaha cash, blinds $0.10/$0.25, 3 players
BB $12.75 (51 bb), Hero covers

Preflop: Hero is SB with KJ88

BTN folds, Hero raises to $0.75, BB calls

Flop ($1.5, 2 players, SPR=8): A86

Hero bets $1.25, BB calls

Turn ($4, SPR=2.7): A86-4

Hero bets $3.25, BB calls

River ($10.5, SPR=0.7): A86-4-5

Hero checks
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My thoughts (tl;dr cliffs: raise pre, bet flop, c/c turn, c/f river).

Preflop. Meh... Though the hand is rainbow, it's in PPT top 28% vs 1 random for some reason , it has remote set/str8 potential. I deemed it too strong to be folded.

Flop. As BB didn't 3bet, my mid set is most likely the nut.

Turn. I have no illusions about the K blocker, but I thought it would be nice to fold out the str8. (Erm, tbh, it was just FPS. ) In the hindsight, I find c/c more appropriate, I have a note (Am I *that* observant? Liar!) he'll halfpot it and I can afford it with my 10 outs.

River. It hasn't made my perceived range stronger, he must be beating me and won't call with worse. I'm c/f'ing.
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05-28-2012 , 05:05 PM
just gonna post this here coz i feel utterly ******ed for asking and the hand below. bluff need to work 30% of the time according to my math off the top of my head, but this seems low to me. how often does he need to be bluffing to make this a profitable reshove? please explain

$3/$6 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
6 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
doorbread (UTG) ($666)
UTG+1 ($600)
CO ($636.78)
BTN ($715.25)
SB ($600)
BB ($1,041.75)

Pre-Flop: ($9, 6 players) doorbread is UTG 7 9 4 J
doorbread raises to $21, 3 folds, SB calls $18, 1 fold

Flop: K 2 2 ($48, 2 players)
SB checks, doorbread checks

Turn: 6 ($48, 2 players)
SB bets $34.20, doorbread calls $34.20

River: 10 ($116.40, 2 players)
SB checks, doorbread bets $78, SB raises to $260.55, doorbread goes all-in $610.80, SB calls $284.25

Final Pot: $1,206
SB shows
K 3 6 K
doorbread shows
7 9 4 J

SB wins $1,203 (net +$603)

doorbread collects $132 (net -$534)
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05-29-2012 , 01:22 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean Rafael
just gonna post this here coz i feel utterly ******ed for asking and the hand below. bluff need to work 30% of the time according to my math off the top of my head, but this seems low to me. how often does he need to be bluffing to make this a profitable reshove? please explain

$3/$6 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
6 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
doorbread (UTG) ($666)
UTG+1 ($600)
CO ($636.78)
BTN ($715.25)
SB ($600)
BB ($1,041.75)

Pre-Flop: ($9, 6 players) doorbread is UTG 7 9 4 J
doorbread raises to $21, 3 folds, SB calls $18, 1 fold

Flop: K 2 2 ($48, 2 players)
SB checks, doorbread checks

Turn: 6 ($48, 2 players)
SB bets $34.20, doorbread calls $34.20

River: 10 ($116.40, 2 players)
SB checks, doorbread bets $78, SB raises to $260.55, doorbread goes all-in $610.80, SB calls $284.25

Final Pot: $1,206
SB shows
K 3 6 K
doorbread shows
7 9 4 J

SB wins $1,203 (net +$603)

doorbread collects $132 (net -$534)


youre including his calling amount--you you dont that with bluffs, because when he folds the pot wont be that size. the probability it has to work is the ratio of the raise amount over the pot before his call (or total pot - his call amount): so its 50.63%

pot before your raise (116.4+78+260.55)=454.95
amount of your raise (284.25+260.55)-your bet (78)=raise amt=466.8

% need to work = amt raise/(amt pot pre raise+amt raise)=amt raise: amt pot pre raise)= 466.8/(466.8+454.95)=50.63%

pm me for skype details if you want to run math situations by me
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05-30-2012 , 10:52 AM
@coon74
Yeah, I prefer to give him a chance to stab on the turn, so I'll usually c/c.
You're only folding out the odd straight, and while Ks makes it less likely you'll get raised, but you're basically wa/wb here - his worse hands can't draw out on you, and you're almost never folding out better hands, even straights call sometimes.
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05-31-2012 , 09:23 AM
if anyone has some suggestions for a NL winner that's struggling with PLO please check out my post in the stats thread and respond with any thoughts. If you need to mock in order to provide insight that's fine as I think my results are fairly mock-worthy right now.
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06-01-2012 , 04:32 PM
Zoom, no reads.

    Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13030781

    Hero (CO): $203.32 (203.3 bb)
    SB: $83.11 (83.1 bb)
    BB: $100 (100 bb)
    UTG: $191.14 (191.1 bb)
    MP1: $41.71 (41.7 bb)
    MP2: $122.32 (122.3 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with A T Q 8
    3 folds, Hero raises to $3, SB calls $2.50, BB raises to $12, Hero calls $9, SB folds

    Flop: ($27) 3 7 2 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero???



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    I've got 38% equity vs AA so if I bet halfpot or more I have to get it in but if he has aces 100% of the time it's not a profitable bet.

    Question is, do I bet and why? He can be giving up but he can also have naked AA and doesn't want to get floated so he's trying to get it all in quickly.

    What's the plan on the turn if I cb and whiff?

    Edit:
    I lose 10.86 by b/c vs AA so he has to fold about 40% of the time (10.86/27) for a bet to be profitable. I guess it's a clear check.

    Last edited by Wolfram; 06-01-2012 at 04:41 PM.
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    06-01-2012 , 06:59 PM
    Another zoom spot:

      Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13031441

      CO: $100 (100 bb)
      SB: $115.18 (115.2 bb)
      BB: $620.51 (620.5 bb)
      UTG: $114.55 (114.6 bb)
      Hero (MP1): $118.65 (118.7 bb)
      MP2: $208.15 (208.2 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 6 7 5 Q
      UTG folds, Hero raises to $3, 2 folds, SB calls $2.50, BB folds

      Flop: ($7) 8 4 J (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $6, SB calls $6

      Turn: ($19) A (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $16, SB raises to $66.14



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      Is call turn, call any river that improves me an ok line? If he checks back we cb UI and shove if we hit, even on scarecards that missed us, right? (because there will be so little money left to bluff with)
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      06-02-2012 , 03:27 AM
      Party Poker $25.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players - View hand 1784314
      DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

      CO: $25.60
      Hero (BTN): $30.94
      SB: $20.92
      BB: $66.24
      UTG: $30.06

      Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BTN with Q 8 T T
      UTG calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.10, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.85

      Flop: ($2.55) 6 K K (2 players)
      UTG checks, Hero bets $1.50, UTG calls $1.50

      Turn: ($5.55) A (2 players)
      UTG checks, Hero bets $3.50, UTG calls $3.50

      River: ($12.55) J (2 players)
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      06-02-2012 , 03:33 AM
      Check turn.
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      06-02-2012 , 10:03 AM
      Villain is 20/14 with BTN steal of 73% after 433 hands

      Standard?

      Grabbed by Holdem Manager
      PL Omaha $0.25(BB) On Game
      Hero ($38.08)
      BB ($31.72)
      UTG ($16.61)
      CO ($73.31)
      BTN ($26.35)

      Dealt to Hero (SB) A A T J

      fold, fold, BTN raises to $1, Hero raises to $3.25, fold, BTN calls $2.25

      FLOP ($6.75) 7 9 6

      Hero bets $6.75, BTN calls $6.75

      TURN ($20.25) 7 9 6 4

      Hero bets $20.25
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      06-02-2012 , 12:44 PM
      Do I have to bet once this gets checked to me? Is the squeeze okay?



      PokerStars - $0.50 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

      BTN: $49.25
      SB: $35.32
      BB: $4.75
      UTG: $35.15
      MP: $26.69
      Hero (CO): $85.21

      SB posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

      Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero has K Q Q 4

      fold, fold, Hero raises to $1.75, fold, SB calls $1.50, BB raises to $4.75 and is all-in, Hero raises to $10.00, SB calls $8.25

      Flop: ($24.75, 3 players) J Q K
      SB checks, Hero bets $23.64, SB raises to $25.32 and is all-in, Hero calls $1.68
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      06-02-2012 , 03:16 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by yarblek
      Villain is 20/14 with BTN steal of 73% after 433 hands

      Standard?

      Grabbed by Holdem Manager
      PL Omaha $0.25(BB) On Game
      Hero ($38.08)
      BB ($31.72)
      UTG ($16.61)
      CO ($73.31)
      BTN ($26.35)

      Dealt to Hero (SB) A A T J

      fold, fold, BTN raises to $1, Hero raises to $3.25, fold, BTN calls $2.25

      FLOP ($6.75) 7 9 6

      Hero bets $6.75, BTN calls $6.75

      TURN ($20.25) 7 9 6 4

      Hero bets $20.25
      Seems fine. Main question is if you want to choose a different betsize on the flop for balance n stuff. But i guess if i had naked T8 on this flop I'd go ahead and pot it since it's so wet.

      On the turn you have so much so equity so ez jam.
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      06-02-2012 , 03:45 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by bananapeel
      Do I have to bet once this gets checked to me? Is the squeeze okay?



      PokerStars - $0.50 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

      BTN: $49.25
      SB: $35.32
      BB: $4.75
      UTG: $35.15
      MP: $26.69
      Hero (CO): $85.21

      SB posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

      Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero has K Q Q 4

      fold, fold, Hero raises to $1.75, fold, SB calls $1.50, BB raises to $4.75 and is all-in, Hero raises to $10.00, SB calls $8.25

      Flop: ($24.75, 3 players) J Q K
      SB checks, Hero bets $23.64, SB raises to $25.32 and is all-in, Hero calls $1.68
      Squeeze plays are a lot less effective in plo than in NL (I'm assuming you come from that background). People will call with any 4 random cards once they put money in the pot, and they're usually not that wrong to do so because the pf equities run so sickeningly close.

      I'm not sure if your hand is strong enough to be squeezing for value here, but my instinct is that it's not.

      As played, nothing left to do but get the money in postflop. There's very little point in checking behind.
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      06-02-2012 , 04:29 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by coon74
      BB is hardly known - it's our 7th hand - so no notes besides double min-d**king with a weak hand, halfpotting on a flushy board and folding one of his buttons. Any comments are welcome, esp ott. Thanks.
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      Pot-Limit Omaha cash, blinds $0.10/$0.25, 3 players
      BB $12.75 (51 bb), Hero covers

      Preflop: Hero is SB with KJ88

      BTN folds, Hero raises to $0.75, BB calls

      Flop ($1.5, 2 players, SPR=8): A86

      Hero bets $1.25, BB calls

      Turn ($4, SPR=2.7): A86-4

      Hero bets $3.25, BB calls

      River ($10.5, SPR=0.7): A86-4-5

      Hero checks
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      My thoughts (tl;dr cliffs: raise pre, bet flop, c/c turn, c/f river).

      Preflop. Meh... Though the hand is rainbow, it's in PPT top 28% vs 1 random for some reason , it has remote set/str8 potential. I deemed it too strong to be folded.

      Flop. As BB didn't 3bet, my mid set is most likely the nut.

      Turn. I have no illusions about the K blocker, but I thought it would be nice to fold out the str8. (Erm, tbh, it was just FPS. ) In the hindsight, I find c/c more appropriate, I have a note (Am I *that* observant? Liar!) he'll halfpot it and I can afford it with my 10 outs.

      River. It hasn't made my perceived range stronger, he must be beating me and won't call with worse. I'm c/f'ing.
      seriously until youre crushing a level fold all rainbows pre except aa/kk, and then go back to folding them at 2/4+
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      06-03-2012 , 05:15 AM
      Is this a call please? Reads not many but Ive PTR'd most players and are mostly losers...but Im a total newb myself


      $25 USD PL Omaha Seat

      3: Ado_Bo ( $27.82 USD )
      Seat 6: HERO ( $28.55 USD )
      Seat 4: Nuk3F4rtt ( $41.76 USD )
      Seat 1: Paule1611 ( $4.65 USD )
      Seat 5: serge74555 ( $32.06 USD )
      Seat 2: vasek1991 ( $0 USD )
      Ado_Bo posts small blind [$0.10 USD].
      Nuk3F4rtt posts big blind [$0.25 USD].

      ** Dealing down cards **

      Dealt to HERO [ 2s 3s 5d 7d ]
      serge74555 raises [$0.75 USD]

      HERO.....just a little too weak a hand?
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      06-03-2012 , 05:23 AM
      Heres me getting myself in trouble again. Should I just fold pre? Is my lead OTT too ambitious?

      $25 USD PL Omaha Seat 3: Ado_Bo ( $33.59 USD )

      Seat 6: HERO ( $33.65 USD )
      Seat 4: PACCBET ( $25 USD )
      Seat 1: Paule1611 ( $8.48 USD )
      Seat 2: hans10101 ( $25 USD )
      Seat 5: serge74555 ( $27.15 USD )

      HERO posts small blind [$0.10 USD].
      Paule1611 posts big blind [$0.25 USD].

      ** Dealing down cards **
      Dealt to HERO [ Tc 9c 8d Th ]

      hans10101 will be using his time bank for this hand.
      hans10101 raises [$0.85 USD]

      serge74555 calls [$0.85 USD]
      HERO calls [$0.75 USD]


      ** Dealing Flop ** [ 3h, 5s, Ac ]

      IRON___FIST checks
      hans10101 will be using his time bank for this hand.
      hans10101 checks
      serge74555 checks

      ** Dealing Turn ** [ Kc ]

      HERO bets [$1.99 USD]

      hans10101 raises [$6.25 USD]
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      06-03-2012 , 07:39 AM
      @ PTRing @ PLO25. Yeah, 7d5d3s2s is too weak imho. Defending the blind w/TT98 is normal but I find leading ott a spew because you're not repping much, plus hans has taken his timebank twice which means he's a mass multitabler and his pf range is very nitty, with lots of A/KK that won't fold; probably just c/f ott.
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      06-03-2012 , 11:43 AM
      Aggressive player playing 33/22.

      Should I call turn or just shove? If call turn, should I shove river for value?

        Poker Stars, $1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13047261

        MP: $212.56 (106.3 bb)
        CO: $107.92 (54 bb)
        BTN: $53 (26.5 bb)
        Hero (SB): $200 (100 bb)
        BB: $200 (100 bb)
        UTG: $1,033.14 (516.6 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is SB with 5 3 3 A
        4 folds, Hero raises to $6, BB calls $4

        Flop: ($12) J A 3 (2 players)
        Hero bets $9, BB calls $9

        Turn: ($30) T (2 players)
        Hero bets $22, BB raises to $62, Hero calls $40

        River: ($154) 7 (2 players)
        Hero checks, BB bets $123 and is all-in, Hero folds




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        06-03-2012 , 12:55 PM
        Shove turn.
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        06-03-2012 , 07:35 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by coon74
        @ PTRing @ PLO25. Yeah, 7d5d3s2s is too weak imho. Defending the blind w/TT98 is normal but I find leading ott a spew because you're not repping much, plus hans has taken his timebank twice which means he's a mass multitabler and his pf range is very nitty, with lots of A/KK that won't fold; probably just c/f ott.

        Thanks...but why is PTRing 25 PLO amusing please?

        Im unfamiliar with PTR and unsure of its legitimacy, seems almost everyone I look up is a losing player
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