heh, i think stealth is pretty good at hu (without playing him), especially through extended play. Id defo think most 6max higher stakes experts are favs before 100 hands, but not after. He got my good friend(whose one of the better hu plo mid stakes players) so tilted that he couldnt play right. As for hit n running, im pretty sure stealth did the same, or at least quit and insisted on only higher stakes to him. Dont quote me on that though.

stealth, you're coming across like a complete idiot here. so you played this guy once, he played in a way you don't think is optimal, you tilted (after losing 4 BI? cmon!) and ran your mouth off, he ran his mouth back off to you, and you think you're so amazing at poker that the only possible explanation is that this guy is a scammer/idiot/whatever else you're saying? Think outside the box, here, maaaaaybe, just maybe, there's other ways to play poker profitably than your narrow field of vision suggests to you.

All other things being equal, and I"m not going to defend iggy's hu game, I can at least vouch that his 6max graphs aren't forged. Not that I think that was particularly in question.

I could definitely see why someone might think iggy is terrible in a small sampling of hands, he seems to do some crazy stuff based on some hhs he posts.

but it's out of line to call someone a thief just because they didn't want to play you for a long time, when he's obv shot-taking and probably tilting (Is he suppose to be immune to this because he has winning graph and is a mod? lol)

lol

he's not a thief because he hit and ran me.

he's a thief because he's accepted money from people to "teach" them how to play poker when he has no clue himself.

So you've never seen a fish play 200 hands and were able to deduce that he was a -EV drooling idiot? Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaybe? Just maybe!

People watching my last cardrunners vid saw me play way more than 200 hands and proclaimed that there was no way I was a winning player. I think I'm a winning player.

1) I'm sorry you're upset. Being upset isn't very fun, and should generally be avoided in favour of other attitudes, such as contentment and even happiness.

2) The claims you've made so far are either straightforward and inarguable or largely wrong. I'm definitely not going to defend iggy's hu game; it's certainly possible (and even likely, sorry iggy) that he wouldn't be +ev against most hu regs above 2/4. He also obviously doesn't mind taking a shot here and there.

That said, saying he's a thief for coaching 6max players when you don't think he plays hu well is at best a bit of a leap.That he wins at a steady rate at 6max (120k hands of which I can independently verify, at 2/4 and above) is more or less irrelevant; if he is offering a service to people of any kind, and if they are happy enough with the results to come back for more, that's really all there is to it. If you purchase coaching from a horrible losing player and can't figure that out, it's sort of caveat emptor. If your game isn't at a point where you can tell when somebody is helping you or not, then your money is more or less destined to make it's way into the poker economy one way or the other, and if that's by peer-to-peer transfer instead of bad play, then at least you're saving the rake.



Breathe.

I strongly disagree here. The great unwashed sees some forged PT Graphs because the broke fish only imports winning sessions/hands, sees 2p2 green mod with 8000 posts, sees "2p2 hu champ" and definitely is (and should be) under the illusion that "hey this guy knows what he's talking about!"

Well, I'm here to loudly proclaim, because even if he has accidentally developed a slightly winning strategy at 6m, his play of sh/hu displays a clear fundamental lack of understanding of the game, and I've talked to other PLO players that are good....he is a monkey degenerate clicking buttons.

The whole idea of coaching/learning/teacher-student relationship is that the student doesn't KNOW if the advice he's learning is good. If they did, they wouldn't need to pay for the coaching!

I'd be a thief if I was accepting money to teach people multi-variable calculus! I wouldn't be able to sleep at night knowing I was that much of a scumbag! However, poker players have such crazy egos, and are such degenerates that when they go busto, they need to get back in action, that they feel no problem accepting $ from people to coach when they suck and its disgusting.

I've been offered hundreds of dollars an hour to coach by several people, and I always refuse because I'm a ****ty teacher, and wouldn't be able to orate/get across my thoughts/reasoning well to others, i.e. they wouldn't get a product they'd be happy with. Sure, I could have accepted the $, and not even really tried to let the student "Get inside my head" but give him standard joke advice get him to play standard, show him a few tricks that would make him be like "ohhhhh" and he'd be like omg thanks you improved my game tenfold! (even tho a lot of it would just be confidence/placebo) Think thats just stealing, and cardrunners/pokerxfactor/blablabla all the 2p2 coaches besides ruining the game are disgusting, because blind leading the blind is just like stealing as far as I'm concerned. I don't use pokertracker, but I'm sure that in under 1hr I could post a graph of me winning any X amount of $ as well at any stakes.

with all that said, who are good coaches for ssplo

he can be a bit arrogant but that's pretty common around this forum with all the young people and them making some quick money, but I'm not agreeing with you on the whole forged graph scam conspiracy and would be pretty surprised, but in your mind he's a fish. Fish don't usually know they're bad, and in poker you can have success even playing poorly, and 150 hands could go either way regardless. My guess is you shouldn't give him such a hard time and welcome a 2/4 player into a 25/50 game. BTW did u tell him ahead of time there was no way he could beat you because he's a fish? you thief!

For him to be a thief he would have to be a consistent loser that is only able to feed his gambling problem from students he teaches. But you already have someone saying that he wins @ 6max (I'm guessing through datamining or plays a lot with him), is he a liar too?

personally I think you shouldn't take the loss so personal, and offer him 100$/hour or whatever he gets for coaching so he can 'teach' you by playing one another

I offered him 400$/hr to 2table me.

I love arrogant people. I hate arrogant dellusional scamming hitnrunning idiots.

Stop tapping the glass; you must be a horrible poker player.

apparently iggymcfly is pretty good.



munk, your argument to date is based around 150 hands of shot-taking 25/50 hu.


Your comments about faking graphs is, unless you have some sort of revelatory proof up your sleeves, slander. You're more or less making **** up.

This.

You are coming across as attention-seeking, arrogant and just simply tilted

I never said that iggy faked graphs. I said that it would be easy to fake graphs and that him posting graphs in response to my post is meaningless. My arguments are based on more than 150 hands, as several PLO players I respect share my opinion.

That is enough to make me believe that anyone that has paid iggy money to "Coach" them, was scammed. I simply said that faking graphs seems ******edly easy, and a busto degenerate moderator looking to take advantage of his "2p2 status" to get some money coaching some poor saps, he seems like the perfect candidate to fake graphs.

He has insinuated that he thinks he has an edge on me, but can find better spots, I wonder if 400$/hr + my action would be good enough?

I'm not going to lie, I'm not just a crusader, while I do get off on calling out these arrogant idiots, I would never post on forum if I didn't think I'd eventually get his action HU, or at least have him turn down getting paid 400$/hr publically will hopefully deter some poor suckers from fueling his gambling addiction.

Also, I am 1 for 1 in my history of calling out degenerate thieving terrible poker playing 2p2 moderators in hu4rollz. I just hope this guy, rather than going busto/stealing from people he conned into staking him as if he was good at poker. (cornell fiji) will actually take me up on my offer of 400/hr and go bust to me.

And yes, I view him as a thief for selling coaching to people while sucking at poker. I understand that some people will argue that the students are naive and it is there fault, but I still think he is a scumbag taking advantage of his internet "status."

You appear to have, amongst other issues, problems with understanding sample sizes.

who knows maybe it will be self-fulfilling prophecy since 8bb/hr for 2 tables does seem to good to pass up

but until I see a thread where he's asking for stakes to play someone that gives him 8bb/hr, I'll reserve judgment

As long as a coach is better than the student then they have knowledge to impart and therefore should be allowed to charge money to impart that knowledge. If the student is a losing poker player then Iggy has knowledge to impart to them because he is a winning poker player and should be allowed to charge for coaching.

Calling someone a scumbag because they quit you when they were 4 BIs up when taking a shot is way out of line. You can try and say w/e other BS you want about faked graphs, arrogant this, thief that or about your supernatural powers of catching scumbags but you're just annoyed and blowing this well out of proportion.

You don't understand that in my time of watching him play, he has displayed fundamental lack of understanding of the game, huge enough leaks where it is clear he is a terrible poker player.

I'd go into more detail of why he is a terrible player, but I don't coach other fish on how to fix their fishy ways

I guess I hold "coaches" or "teachers" to higher standards. In my time in the educational system, I was one of the smartest students in all my classes. However, I do not think it would be right if I accepted money to tudor some of the dumber students.

If you think all it takes for you not to be a scumbag to be a "coach" is that, then sure, iggy might not be a scumbag. However, the part of iggy being a winning player is up in the air. 8000 posts on 2p2, a green name, and some graphs with lines doesn't make one a winning player.

The reason that I have status on 2+2 in the first place isn't because I'm a moderator. That might be the first thing people see, but that's not why I have status in this forum. It's because I've been consistently making good theory posts for years here. That's why I was getting students well before I offered to help mod the forum.

Also, I'm really ****ing sick of you calling me a thief/degenerate et al with no basis whatsoever. As he said, cmyr can independently verify all my hands from March to December last year as he was staking me, and I was a very large winner at 5/10 6-max and a slight winner at 10/20 6-max as well. If I can afford to only import winning sessions to my staker, than this whole coaching racket must be a lot more lucrative and profitable than anyone has ever imagined.

One more thing, it wasn't that I "had to get staked" to play a $215 tournament. I was getting staked for 5/10 PLO and I was playing the tournament as part of the staking arrangement for convenience/record keeping.

I already told you that I'm not really rolled for 25/50 right now, so offering me 1 PTBB/100 to play you HU is not going to be that enticing of an offer. So if you want to pretend that this is anything other than you whining because you're a miserable person, it's not.

Hey Stealthmunk, I was watching High Stakes Poker the other day and I saw some dude raise with J5s. That's full-ring NLHE. By god! He must be a fish, right?

One of you, please post some hands, it'll be the best thing to happen to this forum in a while.