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03-20-2009 , 04:02 PM
I love/hate it flip by flip, all depends on whether you scoop
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03-20-2009 , 04:33 PM
I play on FTP at the moment but am considering making a deposit on a euro site.

Anyone know what the state of games at Party / iPoker, ongame are like at 100PLO?

I know ongame 5 max plays at 1-1.
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03-20-2009 , 05:26 PM
Is there a converter for ipoker Omaha hands?
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03-20-2009 , 07:39 PM
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the Palomar game is supposedly fairly good action at times but has a lot of regular pros in it that are very friendly with each other; not that they collude, but from the times that I have played with those guys in Vegas/LA, it just seems like they never play big pots against eachother, etc..

that said, I might be moving to SD in the near future and will def report back after checking out the game..
I'm gonna check it out I guess. I def. don't like that the regulars are suspicious.

Anyone have pointers on how to avoid being totally spazzy in a live game? I haven't played live in years and I have a multitude of brutal tells... heavy breathing, shaky hands, veins popping out in my forehead etc.
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03-20-2009 , 09:26 PM
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I'm gonna check it out I guess. I def. don't like that the regulars are suspicious.

Anyone have pointers on how to avoid being totally spazzy in a live game? I haven't played live in years and I have a multitude of brutal tells... heavy breathing, shaky hands, veins popping out in my forehead etc.
Try hard not to do all that stuff. Repeat. ???? Prooooofit.
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03-20-2009 , 11:54 PM
So, some idiot hitnran me today at stars 25-50 PLO. I later found out from friends on AIM that he is an arrogant 2p2 joke, who also coaches people. I figured this would be the place to say that anyone that has paid iggymcfly to teach them poker has been ripped off as he is very terrible. Online poker coaching/training has gotten ridiculously out of hand with any old idiot being able to forge graphs/claim winnings and then make $ coaching. This guy got backed in the sunday million apparently, (lol @ a winning cash grinder needing to get backed in a 215 dollar donkament) and ran good and thats why he has money. He won't have money for very long if he keeps playing though. Another friend told me he blogs like he wins a lot so I kind of really hope he'll accept my hu4rollz and then donates his roll to me.
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03-20-2009 , 11:57 PM
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So, some idiot hitnran me today at stars 25-50 PLO. I later found out from friends on AIM that he is an arrogant 2p2 joke, who also coaches people. I figured this would be the place to say that anyone that has paid iggymcfly to teach them poker has been ripped off as he is very terrible. Online poker coaching/training has gotten ridiculously out of hand with any old idiot being able to forge graphs/claim winnings and then make $ coaching. This guy got backed in the sunday million apparently, (lol @ a winning cash grinder needing to get backed in a 215 dollar donkament) and ran good and thats why he has money. He won't have money for very long if he keeps playing though. Another friend told me he blogs like he wins a lot so I kind of really hope he'll accept my hu4rollz and then donates his roll to me.
you serious?

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03-21-2009 , 12:47 AM
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you serious?

yes
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03-21-2009 , 01:03 AM
Well i think you have it totally wrong, "arrogant 2p2 joke" well if you consider a MOD to be this then your right other wise you would be wrong. I cant say anything about his play or the way he coaches because i have never had the experince. would have to let him speak for him self.
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03-21-2009 , 01:15 AM
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Well i think you have it totally wrong, "arrogant 2p2 joke" well if you consider a MOD to be this then your right other wise you would be wrong. I cant say anything about his play or the way he coaches because i have never had the experince. would have to let him speak for him self.
cornell fiji was a moderator.

kind of sick that his "internet respect" has let him con people into paying him to teach them poker when he sucks himself.

the whole idea of poker training/coaching is disgusting and thievery in a lot of spots and makes me disgusting but i've said enoguh about it and too ****ed up to rant about it now.

i just hope if he's a mod, and apparently he's arrogant, and coaches, he'll respond to hu4rollz and play me rather than hitnrun after playing terribly n running superhot.
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03-21-2009 , 01:20 AM
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So, some idiot hitnran me today at stars 25-50 PLO. I later found out from friends on AIM that he is an arrogant 2p2 joke, who also coaches people. I figured this would be the place to say that anyone that has paid iggymcfly to teach them poker has been ripped off as he is very terrible. Online poker coaching/training has gotten ridiculously out of hand with any old idiot being able to forge graphs/claim winnings and then make $ coaching. This guy got backed in the sunday million apparently, (lol @ a winning cash grinder needing to get backed in a 215 dollar donkament) and ran good and thats why he has money. He won't have money for very long if he keeps playing though. Another friend told me he blogs like he wins a lot so I kind of really hope he'll accept my hu4rollz and then donates his roll to me.
That was you? I'd expect someone who's been around 2+2 this long to be mature enough that losing 4 BI wouldn't flip you out like that. Also, I didn't really "hit and run" you, we played 150 hands or so, and then I quit to get dinner and watch basketball.

And while it's true that I was down for a while before the Sunday Million score, I've also been averaging 5-6 PTBB/100 at PLO over my last 300K hands. I can post graphs if you really find it necessary to get into some big e-peen waving contest. I'm sure you've got more money than me as I'm not really rolled for 25/50 right now, but I'm definitely a winning player, and my students have been quite satisfied with my coaching.
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03-21-2009 , 01:22 AM
BTW, no I don't want to play you "HU4Rollz". While you clearly have a bad temperament and likely have tilt control issues as a result, I think I can still find more profitable spots than playing large numbers of hands HU vs. a reg.
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03-21-2009 , 01:47 AM
Well, I don't know 6max PLO too well, or the play of mid-low stakes PLO, so i guess an idiot like you might have developed a winning strategy at lower stakes/6max.

I do know that graphs can be forged, and thats something a broke joke would do with a 2p2 modship in order to get money from people to be conned into getting coached by him citing nice winning graphs and a 2p2 modship.

However, anyone paying to learn hu PLO from iggymcfly certainly was screwed over.

I do have a bad temperament and tilt control issues. However, the idea of you being profitable vs me is laughable, and if you'd be willing to entertain ideas of me paying you to play me, or giving u 10% of losses back, I'd entertain the options.

I can be around 2p2 forever, I've had many arrogant jokes quit me/hitnrun me and I don't make all posts going hu4rollz talking **** about peoples games. It only feels really necessary to do as a service to the community as I hope people that value my opinion will not be conned into paying you to learn how to play poker (poorly.)
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03-21-2009 , 02:04 AM
Yeah, you're a real crusading hero, aren't you. You're just so personally offended that someone might not get the best possible coaching that you're making it a personal mission to prevent it from happening. This has nothing to do with the fact that you're all butthurt that I won a few BI off you and didn't give you proper "notice" or something before I left.

FWIW, 6-max is definitely my best game and that's what I coach, not HU. However, coaching makes up a tiny insignificant fraction of my income compared to playing poker. I only do it because I enjoy helping people and it gives me a little bit of a fresh perspective sometimes. Also, if I really wanted to take on a lot of students and coach more seriously, I wouldn't have to forge graphs; I'd just agree to do videos as pretty much every major site has already made me offers.

Seriously though, the sheer volume of words you've put out because you lost a few BI to me in some standard spots is downright ridiculous. How could you even know whether I was an "awful player" from the 150 hands we played. It's not like I was even getting in bad against you. The only big "suckout" I think I was drawing to 11 outs or something.
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03-21-2009 , 02:10 AM
get out imo
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03-21-2009 , 02:12 AM
anyway did any1 else get the private beta for HEM omaha?

I did now my HEM isnt even starting up... well it does start up but goes to connect to postgreSQL which i have set up already and thoughts?
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03-21-2009 , 02:13 AM
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cornell fiji was a moderator.

kind of sick that his "internet respect" has let him con people into paying him to teach them poker when he sucks himself.

the whole idea of poker training/coaching is disgusting and thievery in a lot of spots and makes me disgusting but i've said enoguh about it and too ****ed up to rant about it now.

i just hope if he's a mod, and apparently he's arrogant, and coaches, he'll respond to hu4rollz and play me rather than hitnrun after playing terribly n running superhot.
lol
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03-21-2009 , 02:31 AM
Iggy, stealth...I think both of you have serious ego issues, grow up already.
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03-21-2009 , 03:06 AM
about time this thread got interesting.
he might be arrogant and have some fancy pants in his closet, but other than that he seems like an ok guy, that mcfly guy
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03-21-2009 , 03:35 AM
OK, I guess I'm kind of in a no-win situation here since I'm either "arrogant and ego-driven" if I try to show that I'm a winning player or else I'm a "fraud and a thief" if I don't, but **** it. Here are all my 2009 PLO hands (plus about 100 hi-lo hands that were inconveient to filter out). Yes, I know I'm running unsustainably hot and my volume sucks.






And while I do have a decent amount of 1/2 toward the beginning of my graph here where I was trying to play on my own money with a limited roll due to some life leaks, the vast majority of my 2008 hands were played at 2/4 through 10/20 so it's not like I'm just starting to play higher stakes now.
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03-21-2009 , 04:20 AM
iggy, graph is whatever/unneeded. most people here believe you win at a good clip.

I think your success comes from playing an aggro style that works because you both underestimate your opponents ranges, and play vs weak players who fold too often vs you. stick you in a tough 25/50 lineup and i believe you get eaten alive. I probably do too, but for different reasons. though i think i last longer before i go broke vs very good players, unless you run very hot out of the gate.

there is just too much theory that you spout as gospel, when its perhaps wrong, or a spot where a good player should be mixing it up, hence the arrogant comments.

I don't really disagree with anything stealth said, but all i know about him is that he seems to get involved in a lot of shady situations/arguments.
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03-21-2009 , 04:59 AM
Iggy may or may not beat a strong 25/50 lineup, but he definitely knows and plays PLO well enough to coach just about anyone that might be looking for coaching.

That and just from what I know of him, he can teach plenty of people who play higher than him a thing or two about how to live as a poker player in general and bankroll management in particular.

He's made two well known scores for 6 figures in the past few months, I seriously doubt he needs to scam people.

Game theory unexploitable solutions (aka mixing it up) btw is significantly overrated.

Actually it's flat out a misapplication of game theory. Yes, an unexploitable solution is almost always profitable (rake can make it unprofitable in close situations) but it's almost never the MOST profitable move. Unless your opponent is playing a perfect game the fact of the matter is the most optimal decision for any given hand is almost always pure and not mixed.

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03-21-2009 , 05:17 AM
Iggy, can I pay you 400$/hr to 2table me?

Stinger pays 1k/hr to 4table, but he's better than me so that seems fair.

You are a cocky idiot. You may be a winner at lowstakes 6max I have no clue how terrible those idiots are, or how to play 6max well.

Good for your graphs! I don't know how easy it is to forge graphs, but if your understanding of the game of hu plo is at all like your understanding of 6max, I'd bet that you forged them/only imported your winning sessions not your losing sessions, etc. It makes sense. Nobody that actually can win at midstakes cash would actually need to be staked for a 215$ donkament.

Just sucks how because you are a twoplustwo moderator, people are gullible enough to think you know how to play this game and pay to learn from you or invest in you. It also sucks that the last person that I got into a hu4rollz ish thing turned out to ironically be moderator Cornell Fiji, and I got all excited at the possibility of crushing a fish, only to find out he was a thief/scammer degenerate idiot, and I'd imagine you are the same way, but on a good enough run from donkaments to be able to play 25-50 and won't be there long.

I genuinely feel sorry for people that have paid you to coach them, and think its akin to stealing. I said same thing when cardrunners hired some terrible people, and eventually one of them quit/resigned/got removed, etc. (zpaceman) bloodsucking scumbags. But if you're going to have an ego, and not play me while I'm offering to pay you, then its disgusting.
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03-21-2009 , 05:18 AM
grizy, I agree with your last paragraph.

its actually why iggys advice rubs me the wrong way so often. his advice both ignores mixing it up vs observant players, and ignores making an exploitable play that makes the most money in a vacuum. it's too frequently aaxx, set, raise it up, never slowplay on this board, and fails too look at other possible factors in the hand.
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03-21-2009 , 05:21 AM
Bukem,

Iggy isn't good at poker. He may have accidentally developed a winning strategy at 6max through trial and error, but he certainly doesn't understand poker at all. I wouldn't be saying this stuff if not for the combined thing of 1) him having an ego 2) him hitnrunning me 3) him coaching people.

I don't hate on grinders, as I believe he might have found an edge in a lowstakes games vs idiots, but those kind of people shouldn't be getting PAID by people to COACH just because he's a moderator. Moderator or not, he's a fish.
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