It's not like we are making them play, it's their own choice, they are grown men/women. Joey is basically just trying to grow PLO and make it more known. Nothing wrong with that.

Destructive? Well, for the people it is destructive to, if they weren't to play PLO (or any other poker game), they for sure would play some other game (casino, sportsbetting).

You guys need to remember that poker is a selfish game, it's all about making as much money as possible (staying within the rules ofc). And we want to do whatever we can to keep the game as good as possible.

People saying promoting the game PLO is destructive has no idea imo. Why don't you point fingers to sportsbetting and casino commercials instead, or even McDonalds commercials?
At the end of the day, all he is doing is trying to promote a game he loves, which is a skill game. If you want to make money at it, you have to make an effort, and I think everybody is aware of that. Compared to for example roulette, which is a pure gamble

Good post, crashwhips, I have very similar feelings about the situation.

DP, I think most of us that think poker is a 'destructive' activity also think those other activities are but this isn't a fast food forum which is why we aren't discussing them. Also most people aren't trying to be actively anti-poker, just discussing the implications of being pro-poker.

so what is your point? so what if it is destructive? do you feel we are contributing to making peoples life worse?

I would say most 9-5 jobs in Western societies are destructive as well. Humans are not built to sit in an office for all of their lives, to name just one example. Preventing ppl from 'dangerous habits' like gambling or smoking is fkn hypocrisy.

Very weird and condescending post overall. Nice obv is obv statement at the end, altough there can be additional motives as well


Btw great podcasts and sweet vegas tripreport ChicagoJoey!

That's really level thinking 1 and it's hard to believe it's coming from you. I'm obviously not saying that Joey's podcast has negative impact on people , it's just something that he does which afaik entertains people but i'm pretty sure Poker is something that has negative impact on the majority of people's lives and its better to admit this than not to as a poker player.

Now for those who say that poker gave them money,freedom,blabla maybe it's better to realize that they belong to the 1%< of the population that can make it through poker



We definitely not contributing to make it any better, the reason you see many poker players giving to charity is because they don't feel good emotionally with what they do.

If you knew you could do this forever , would you ?

If you are encouraging them to participate in gambling that they would otherwise not, then yes.

Everyone in here that is hating on poker is way overstating its negative effects. There are way more winners at every level than 1%. 20 -30% at least. Also, many people who lose have very successful lives as businessmen and poker in no way takes away like Guy.
There are studies that have shown that problem gamblers in poker have been way overstated.

All the arguments claiming that other things(fast food, smoking, sitting) are bad/destructive as well does not change the fact that poker is bad for 99% of people that play. Just because other things/choices/options are bad/negative as well obv doesnt justify this bad/negative thing(poker). All this being said, I really enjoy Joey's podcasts/most poker entertainment....

30% winning players would be very surprising to me. I'm not strongly against people marketing poker, but I do think they should be aware of what they their intentions are. I agree that poker is not as bad as other forms of gambling but on average people are losing money that could (in most cases) be better spent.

can't recommend taking Stars Action to 888 so far.



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So basically you are saying that it is bad by Joey to encourage people to play PLO bc you don't think poker is good and very few win
poker isn't gambling in my eyes.. it is a game of skill.

Poker is a game, it can be fun, you can learn a lot and it is a good platform to compete with other people. It is peoples own choice to play with money they can afford to lose. It is not our responsibility. Who are you to say that poker can be a bad hobby for someone?

Never said anything about responsibilities and i don't understand why you consider my answer irrelevant. Anyway all i'm saying is that it is best not to live in illusions.

As far as Joey's podcast goes , Joeys has many guests in his podcast that are top players and give very accurate answers about poker. He is not selling the "If he did it you can do it dream" and i think it is mostly supported by regs.

Pulling numbers out of your ass is never a good look.

I think overall poker is only mildly destructive to new players. I think the people that get really screwed over by starting poker have very degen personalities to begin with, and if they had never found poker they almost certainly would have done something else to massively screw up their lives.

To everyone saying poker isnt a bad thing for most people :

Would you advise your close friends/family members to start playing this game?

I love joey s podcasts by the way!

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I've never understood this argument, why are those things mutually exclusive? There is also 'skill' in blackjack, just the EV is capped. I consider poker as gambling for everybody, but even if you disagree for winning players I think it's insane to not realise that for the majority of players it is. The other stuff we aren't disagreeing on, I'm all for choice and freedom. I'm not even anti-marketing for poker, but I feel a lot of people are somewhat deluded about what they are doing when they encourage people to learn poker.

I made a huge bluff against chicagojoey 2 wks ago. I wasn't going to post it, bc I think it's in bad form to brag when you outplay someone so badly, but I think maybe it's too good not to post.

What do you think, should I post the receipt?

Agreed

If I think they have the personality type and disposition where they would enjoy and/or be good at it, I would and have rec'd they try it out.

There have been a cpl cases where I told friends in no uncertain terms that I thought they should stop playing cause I could tell by the way they played it was never going to be a net positive in their life.

fk yeah do it i'm sure he'll take it in good spirits, either that or post that he had a slightly worse hand and make you feel bad about it

lolol


It really was such a sick bluff because I never expected it from you I also really want to believe in LOVE

Receipts pls

Stop attacking me in the chat all the time Senor, thx

You really don't think people are aware of that? Everybody with half a brain knows poker isn't good for the majority of people, and so what? Not our responsibility...

Someones weakness is not gonna limit me as a player, who is trying to win as much as possible. I can't go around being concerned about someone being irresponsible with their money.

That said, I would never recommend poker to anyone in my family, or friends for that matter. I always tell them to not start with poker..