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06-23-2012 , 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by PJA
So YTF has to try significantly harder than others to lose weight and finds the cost/benefit analysis unfavorable. What's the big ****ing deal?

Does anyone actually disagree with any of these points?

-That it's more painful for him than for others to not eat
-That he can gain more weight eating fewer calories than others
-That his body tends toward a certain weight which is higher than for most people (through either making him feel hungry more when he is lower or whatever other mechanism)

Well, if you do, then what if I said I'm skinny and I think I have the exact opposite situation. I have to skip 2-3 meals before I feel anything, and typically all I feel is a very slight headache. I've been between 140-150 pounds for the last 7 years without putting any effort forth whatsoever (yeah, I typically don't eat a ton, and I exercise on and off, but mostly I play video games/study/work a desk job). The only time I gained weight I went up to 165 on gomad in 3 months + climbing 3-4 times a week. I dropped back to 140 within 2 months when I stopped due to injury.

I don't find it that hard to believe that someone could feel significantly more discomfort than myself from not eating, why is it so hard for people who are mildly overweight to believe that someone who is morbidly obese to hurt a lot more than they do from trying to lose weight?
#2 is most definitely false. Especially for someone large. If I gave you the same amount of calories as him, your weight would gain more than him by a wide margin after a month.
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06-23-2012 , 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Teebor
To give some credibility to the conviction that some people just don't put on weight as easily, there is at least one reason why this may be true. People who fidget burn significantly more calories per day simply through fidgeting than people who don't.

Fidgeting can burn up to an extra 350 calories per day which is about the same as a 30 minute run.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2005Jan27.html
I'm 6 foot and about 170 and I'm sure I probably average like 8k calories a day yet I do no exercise at all.
I'm extremely fidgety though and I'm constantly moving about when I'm on the phone, talking to friends, watching TV.
I have no doubt this is down to my fidgeting, also another two factors which I think are hugely important for a balanced weight is my habit of drinking A LOT of water(6-8 liters/day) and eating extremely spicy food.


As for someone obese I wouldn't be looking for a miracle cure but slowly changing your habits, otherwise it's too easy to get disenchanted and just give up and accept your "fate".

I would start with cutting/changing a few things at the time while logging everything you eat/drink as you can identify the main problems you have with your current dietary habits.

The first step for me would be to cut all drinks and only drink water and loads of it. Actually what's the color of your urine? Would not be surprised if you're actually dehydrated most of the time.

Then after a few weeks cut something else, remember you are doing this for your long term health benefits not to turn into Brad Pitt in fight club.
SLOW and LONGTERM should be your focus especially considering you've lost a lot of weight before and then put it back on.



As for the crying yourself to sleep because of the hunger, this is likely psychosomatic as you've used food/snacks as an anxiety relief?
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06-23-2012 , 09:11 AM
Tengil,

My guess is you either have no idea how many calories 8000 is, you run marathons in your sleep, or you have a worm.
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06-23-2012 , 09:16 AM
Ha ha "I'm sure I probably average 8k calories per day and weigh 170 and don't exercise."

Dude, I never measured it but my dick must be at least 18 inches.
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06-23-2012 , 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by youtalkfunny




Wow, I always thought you were on my side.



that's the thing man, i am on your side. always have been.
i've just heard this all before, from both you and countless others.

prove me wrong. i'd like nothing more than to eat my words.
mmm...yummy, delicious words.
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06-23-2012 , 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by TomCollins
Tengil,

My guess is you either have no idea how many calories 8000 is, you run marathons in your sleep, or you have a worm.
I've been awake for about 5 hours now and I've had the following :
1 Large big mac meal
20 chicken nuggets +5 curry sauces
2 cans of coke

I will probably have another 2 BIG meals and about 3-10 beers tonight and that's more than normal but not abnormal.
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06-23-2012 , 09:36 AM
ytf, watch this ****ing video and then give us more of your excuses:



ftr i operate under a tough love policy, both here and irl. if i didn't care i would just ignore you. 'you' being whoever.

tough love it is me.
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06-23-2012 , 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Jbrochu
Ha ha "I'm sure I probably average 8k calories per day and weigh 170 and don't exercise."

Dude, I never measured it but my dick must be at least 18 inches.
I have no idea how many calories I average but I only eat junk food, drink loads of coke and binge drink 3-5 days a week.


Also my dick is 20 inches
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06-23-2012 , 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Tengil
I'm 6 foot and about 170 and I'm sure I probably average like 8k calories a day yet I do no exercise at all.
I'm extremely fidgety though and I'm constantly moving about when I'm on the phone, talking to friends, watching TV.
I have no doubt this is down to my fidgeting, also another two factors which I think are hugely important for a balanced weight is my habit of drinking A LOT of water(6-8 liters/day) and eating extremely spicy food.
That's way too much water
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06-23-2012 , 09:49 AM
gizmo i hate to say this but your avatar reminds me of goatse
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06-23-2012 , 10:20 AM
Fun thread

Controlling ones weight is harder for some than for others, no doubt. I suspect it's more psychological than physiological though. There's probably nothing special about the way your body processes food.

It takes a pretty stupendous effort to overcome the eating habits of a lifetime, it really is a constant battle between what your instincts are saying and what your brain is saying. There's no easy fix, and the battle is never over.

The results make it worth it though.
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06-23-2012 , 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Tengil
I'm 6 foot and about 170 and I'm sure I probably average like 8k calories a day yet I do no exercise at all.
Can this get the same love as "I eat 1600 cal/day and gained 1/lb per day," or are we too tired of this thread?
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06-23-2012 , 11:20 AM
Tengil is ytf.
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06-23-2012 , 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Tengil
I've been awake for about 5 hours now and I've had the following :
1 Large big mac meal
20 chicken nuggets +5 curry sauces
2 cans of coke
Well, all of that combined is only 200 calories.
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06-23-2012 , 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by steelersdmw1
Yeah you defo need to go to a psychologist if you respond to these posts like this. The reason this thread started was because you told me that you had done everythinnnngggggg to lose weight and it just wasn't happening through no fault of your own. Then you get berated and kind of come to terms with the facts that you really dont know anything about losing weight.

Anyways, yes, maybe these things will feel like a punishment. But that's the point. The reward comes when you are not a fat slob anymore. The whole getting there part is the work (WORK IS NOT EASY). If you think like that you will never ever have the mental fortitude to do this. As it stands, I feel like you are a huge underdog. You are still deluded into thinking that losing half your body weight is not going to be that tough. Listen, it's gonna suck for you, but if you want to lose weight, food should be used your source of physical energy. You shouldn't look to food as a pleasure thing anymore. I think you will fail because of sentences like "I might be able to tough my way through an apple, I'll have to try it again." Pretty telling imo. You like fattening/sugary food too much, it's become to much a fabric of your life. The only way you'll be able to make a diet work is if you stop looking at food as a pleasure center and as just energy. Anyways I don't have much faith in you succeeding but I hope I'm wrong. GL.
this is not helpful and somewhat wrong.

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Originally Posted by FlyWf
ytf- This is a serious post:

There is an ENORMOUS difference in like how filling different foods are for the same calories. Think about like, a chicken breast vs. a bowl of tortilla chips. Experiment with seasoning and **** like that to trigger satiety after the fewest calories.

For most people, that's gonna come from lightly spiced lean meat and dense green veggies(brussel sprouts, broccoli, etc.). There is a reason they don't serve cheesecake as an appetizer, basically.
this is very helpful and correct.
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06-23-2012 , 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by PJA
So YTF has to try significantly harder than others to lose weight and finds the cost/benefit analysis unfavorable. What's the big ****ing deal?

Does anyone actually disagree with any of these points?

-That it's more painful for him than for others to not eat
-That he can gain more weight eating fewer calories than others
-That his body tends toward a certain weight which is higher than for most people (through either making him feel hungry more when he is lower or whatever other mechanism)
i disagree with the 2nd point for sure.

and the last point is likely the result of his life of overeating. i think it should be able to be reversed.
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06-23-2012 , 12:16 PM
i cant understand why people still bring some top dieting tips in this topic

i dont think people get to over 300 pounds without some sort of eating disorder or mental issue like depression

WHY DO YOU EAT SO MUCH?
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06-23-2012 , 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Showshone
i cant understand why people still bring some top dieting tips in this topic

i dont think people get to over 300 pounds without some sort of eating disorder or mental issue like depression

WHY DO YOU EAT SO MUCH?
Na, gain 10 lbs a year for 20 years and you can be quite fat. 350lbs 18 year olds are almost surely in the category. It's easy to sneak up on bigger numbers when you are older. It's the difference of a few hundred calories a day or so that can do that.

Of course, you need more to sustain yourself at that weight which is why most people plateau somewhere, but it's certainly much higher than 300 lbs for most people. 300 lbs is big but it's not enormous. The 500lbs+ club almost all have some severe issues that lead to overeating. You have to consume an enormous amount of calories just to maintain that weight. 300 lbs is not that hard to get to with time and enough bad habits and lack of willpower or shame.
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06-23-2012 , 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by 27offsuit
ytf, watch this ****ing video and then give us more of your excuses:



ftr i operate under a tough love policy, both here and irl. if i didn't care i would just ignore you. 'you' being whoever.

tough love it is me.
at 2:46 I was genuinely concerned for the safety of that cat.
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06-23-2012 , 12:32 PM
Getting to 300 lbs is an challenge unless you are very tall. If you're average male height which is 5'9" or 5'10" getting to 300 is pretty hard, and you are absolutely enormous. We're definitely becoming too used to obesity if we don't think 300 lbs is a huge man.
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06-23-2012 , 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by ToTheInternet
Well, all of that combined is only 200 calories.
You mean 2000 calories right?
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06-23-2012 , 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by TomCollins
Na, gain 10 lbs a year for 20 years and you can be quite fat. 350lbs 18 year olds are almost surely in the category. It's easy to sneak up on bigger numbers when you are older. It's the difference of a few hundred calories a day or so that can do that.

Of course, you need more to sustain yourself at that weight which is why most people plateau somewhere, but it's certainly much higher than 300 lbs for most people. 300 lbs is big but it's not enormous. The 500lbs+ club almost all have some severe issues that lead to overeating. You have to consume an enormous amount of calories just to maintain that weight. 300 lbs is not that hard to get to with time and enough bad habits and lack of willpower or shame.
I bet a sedentary 500 pounder's maintenance is ~4000 calories a day. It takes very few calories to keep fat on.

*edit* just checked a calculator and came up with 3865 for a 500 pound, 40-year old sedentary male
yeah, that's still a lot of calories for an inactive human being, but i think most skinny/healthy people imagine fatties eating quite a bit more
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06-23-2012 , 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
I believe you. Anyone that has that much trouble losing weight at 25 obviously has some kind of imbalance. I was always the chubby kid in school and my mom had nothing but health food in the house. I never had junk food or Twinkies until I could drive.

Then I went from chubby to fat in about 4 years. Then lost 50 lbs by starving myself one semester in college. Ever since then it's been extremely easy for me to gain weight and really hard to lose. Finally I had a nutritionist who put me on testosterone. That worked like no amount of dieting ever could.
Guess it's only obvious to you and me.

The rest of the post sounds exactly like my experience, except for the last two sentences--I want to hear more about testosterone! I'd always suspected mine was low for other reasons, I had no idea it applied here as well.


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Originally Posted by TomCollins
ytf-

You claim to hate those foods. But that's what happens when you don't eat something often. It will taste bad at first. Keep eating it. If it still tastes bad after a week, then consider changing it up. It takes a while for the palette to get used to the food.

Oatmeal with the right toppings is delicious. I hate most oatmeal cookies too. Putting bananas on it or some honey in it is very good. And you may not like it at first, but give it at least 3 tries before dismissing it. Your body might adjust before then.
You're probably right, of course. I made myself eat salads even though I couldn't stand them at first, figuring I had no shot of keeping my army gig without them. Now I really enjoy a pre-meal salad. I never applied that sort of rigor with fruits, I guess I should.

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BTW- most trainers are ******s.
EVERYBODY is a ******! Doctors are ******s! I went to four different orthopedic guys for my knees, the fourth one I started the discussion with, "Look, we need to talk about knee replacement, or amputation, or SOMETHING, but I can't live with this pain any more!" He replied, "Have you tried cortisone?" I made a face that indicated that I had never heard of it, and said no. He made a face that indicated, "WTF is wrong with this world, that this poor bastard has been through three so-called doctors and not one suggested the obvious remedy?"

All the misinformation I've averred ITT has come from trainers, and doctors, and nutrition counselors, etc. I didn't make up any of it, I've been relying upon the advice of "experts".

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Originally Posted by Gizmo
That's way too much water
Oh, gawddammit, now you're telling me there's such a thing as too much water? Is there no end to this wretched indignity?
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06-23-2012 , 12:41 PM
Tengil,

Lolololllololol
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06-23-2012 , 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by electricladylnd
You mean 2000 calories right?
No.
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