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11-13-2009 , 11:21 PM

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daryn

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Originally Posted by lonely_but_rich

I can't think of anything more obvious that we don't actually have proof of.

your ignorance is showing on this one.

how can you say it's obvious? do you know anything about the chances of life starting up? do you know anything about the size of the universe? do you know anything about the number of habitable planets? no, you don't. nobody does. all we have are guesses that might not even be that good.

it's quite possible that the chances of life arising are sufficiently small and the number of habitable planets not large enough to make the chances of life existing elsewhere 0%.

it's also possible that life exists somewhere out there.

to say that it's super obvious because like uhh.. the universe is so huge man.. is stupid.

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11-13-2009 , 11:22 PM

#52

daryn

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Originally Posted by RunDownHouse

Oh wow, what a surprise, someone from Boston that thinks there isn't intelligent life anywhere else in the universe.

i wouldn't say i don't think there is intelligent life anywhere else in the universe.

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11-13-2009 , 11:38 PM

#53

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I'm so pumped about this that I'm going to go listen to some Floyd.

36 posts in and someone finally gets it right!

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11-13-2009 , 11:44 PM

#54

Dids

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There is a lot better word than "obvious" to say what you people are trying to say. Several actually.

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11-13-2009 , 11:47 PM

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I meant likely. Saying there's life on other planets because the universe is so huge isn't stupid though.

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11-13-2009 , 11:49 PM

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lonely_but_rich

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How is this even an argument.

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11-13-2009 , 11:49 PM

#57

Pocket Trips

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I have chosen to express my thoughts on this subject in song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtBy_ppG4hY

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11-13-2009 , 11:56 PM

#58

housenuts

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would you drink a glass of untested moon water right now if offered to you?

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11-14-2009 , 12:07 AM

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bonds

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Originally Posted by housenuts

would you drink a glass of untested moon water right now if offered to you?

no way man the goverment probably put flouride in it already

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11-14-2009 , 01:02 AM

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vixticator

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Originally Posted by TheUntouchable

I don't really see what's newsworthy about this.

Dibs on lakefront property.

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11-14-2009 , 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by daryn

do you know anything about the size of the universe?

The Universe is like 13.8 Billion light-years in diameter. I think it's prett eclair that there is probably life somewhere out there.

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11-14-2009 , 01:24 AM

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General Tsao

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omg 'prett eclair'

amazing

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11-14-2009 , 02:07 AM

#63

daryn

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Originally Posted by prohornblower

The Universe is like 13.8 Billion light-years in diameter. I think it's prett eclair that there is probably life somewhere out there.

this is exactly the kind of ignorance i am talking about. you casually make such a statement with NO IDEA WHATSOEVER what the chances are of intelligent life popping up on a planet somewhere.

do you realize that it doesn't matter how big the universe is? let's pretend i can somehow control the probability of intelligent life popping up. do you realize that no matter how large the universe is, i can always make the chances of life arising sufficiently small enough to make the effective probability of life existing 0%?

in case you're joking (eclair) this post is for the "how is this even a question" guy too.

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11-14-2009 , 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by daryn

Uh, but do you know how big a light-year is? How about a billion? Okay, now put them together. And then multiply by 13!

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11-14-2009 , 02:30 AM

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was going to post drake equation but it doesn't really apply

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11-14-2009 , 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by daryn

do you realize that it doesn't matter how big the universe is? let's pretend i can somehow control the probability of intelligent life popping up. do you realize that no matter how large the universe is, i can always make the chances of life arising sufficiently small enough to make the effective probability of life existing 0%?

Daryn, you're religious, I get it. Nobody knows what's out there. This is a stupid thing to get worked up over.

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11-14-2009 , 02:35 AM

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Gobias Ind.

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Originally Posted by Dids

YEAH- ****ING BASTARDS. WANTING TO LIKE USE STUFF AND THINGS. INSTEAD WE SHOULD JUST LET IT SIT THERE AND HIGH 5 ABOUT IT.

What the **** are you talking about?

http://www.healthcentral.com/high-bl...find-drug.html

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11-14-2009 , 02:40 AM

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DonkJr

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The water on the moon is all mine and you ****ing bastards can't have any of it!!!!11!

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11-14-2009 , 03:36 AM

#69

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Originally Posted by daryn

Intelligent life formed here so it should be obvious that the probability is above 0.

Now we live on one planet orbiting one star. There are over 200 billion stars in our galaxy, and over 100 billion other galaxies each with a similar number of stars.

You really believe that ours is the only planet that life was able to form on?

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11-14-2009 , 03:42 AM

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Thinking that hey, we exist, ergo the probability must be high enough that tons of other plants have life is such an obvious case of selection bias. You simply don't know what the probabilities are to make such a statement, and you need more proof than boy, we're here and there are a lot of stars and planets out there.

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11-14-2009 , 03:45 AM

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I think it would be hilarious if they discovered there were fish or something on the moon. All the doubters would be like, "Well there's probably no MORE life in the universe."

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11-14-2009 , 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by daryn

this is actually far from obvious, if not unlikely.

It seems, at least to me, far more unlikely that the Earth is unique in its life sustaining properties given the number of planets in existence.

Of course the issue at that point is how these properties are determined.

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11-14-2009 , 03:54 AM

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give the probability of life existing on a planet something stupid like 0.0000000000001%

given this what are the chances life exists elsewhere in the universe?

i'm more inclined to believe life exists elsewhere than to believe the chance of life existing is sooooo small that it doesn't exist elsewhere.

no need for an argument. people can think what they want. that is just my belief.

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11-14-2009 , 03:55 AM

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Omar Comin

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just waitin for daryn to post in this thread again

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11-14-2009 , 04:02 AM

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vixticator

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Originally Posted by Dudd

Why would the chance of it happening once (confirmed) be any different from >1 given the size? Note I don't know what I'm talking about but it seems trivial that we should accept this without knowing any underlying probabilities since there are incalculable number of bodies in the universe which could have life.

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