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02-23-2008 , 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by xxThe_Lebowskixx
checkout 2001 if you liked the music in this film.
You're right about all the parallels to 2001 in the opening, and that the music is very much like the Ligeti stuff used in 2001. This is my favorite movie of the year. I hope Anderson keeps making films like this. He's one of the best working today.
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02-23-2008 , 02:20 PM
i suspected that Eli was the one who went to DDL but then why did he tell his father "your stupid son", was he talking about himself? And I am pretty sure he says that other son's name???
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02-23-2008 , 02:34 PM
The actor playing Paul dropped out at the last minute so Dano played both brothers. I think it is pretty much 100% there are two brothers, though I admit I was a bit confused during the movie about the issue. It definitely wasn't handled particularly well.
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02-23-2008 , 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Jay Riall
The actor playing Paul dropped out at the last minute so Dano played both brothers. I think it is pretty much 100% there are two brothers, though I admit I was a bit confused during the movie about the issue. It definitely wasn't handled particularly well.
Didn't know about this, but i thought the dual casting made for a nice parallel between the two characters; one sells out his family for money; one sells out god for money.

There was never a question in my mind they were seperate characters.
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02-23-2008 , 04:33 PM
Then why did DDL tell the lies at the end of the movie?

I'm assuming we can do away with spoiler tags since the movies been out a reasonable amount of time for people to see it if they are interested.
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02-23-2008 , 04:40 PM
i think he just wanted to hurt his ego by telling him the brother was doing well
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02-23-2008 , 05:07 PM
Wait, how do we know Daniel was lying about Paul's success? (I may just be being stupid or have forgotten why here)
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02-23-2008 , 05:16 PM
it seems very unlikely that he stayed in touch or got back in touch. also, he didnt pay him 10k like he said he did.
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02-23-2008 , 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by xxThe_Lebowskixx
it seems very unlikely that he stayed in touch or got back in touch. also, he didnt pay him 10k like he said he did.

exactly... he gave him $500, not $10K... and the story he told about his success is the same BS (3 wells, making $5,000 a week, producing 100 barrels, ect...) is the same BS he told every town when he was moving in for the kill.
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02-23-2008 , 05:33 PM
Ah ok. Makes no difference anyway, the motivation to bring it up would be the same, lies or not.
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02-23-2008 , 05:40 PM
something i have not seen mentioned. he was not interested in the women when his fake brother gets one. he got all that money and never thought of sex and he was clearly never married.
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02-23-2008 , 05:47 PM
gay ldo. Nah I guess he is just asexual and just doesn't really care for the pursuit of women or sex. I can imagine he views it as a waste of time.
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02-24-2008 , 04:53 AM
I'm wondering if when I show this movie to friends, should I tell them in advance that there are two brothers. As that made me enjoy the film a lot less, the confusion around this issue while watching it, because PTA was too lazy to get a different actor. Maybe it's not his fault, I don't know, but overall, I think this movie would have been a lot better had it been written and directed by someone else. That is to say, it is unfortunate that one of the greatest performances of all time had to be accompanied by this Paul Dano duel brother business, and a random "going insane and killing" just for the sake of going insane and killing, ending. (I've heard over the top endings are a PTA trademark?)

That isn't to say I did not like the movie. I thought it was great, I'm still thinking about it weeks after I saw it. But while it is maybe an 8.5/10, it could have been a 9.5/10 if not for that stuff.
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02-24-2008 , 04:56 AM
did anybody watch SNL tonight?

wowowowowowowwowowow amazing DDL appearance
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02-24-2008 , 05:09 AM
He definitely did that to add ambiguity, imho. Just something else for people to talk about, wonder about, and create theories about. It was definitely not because PTA was too lazy. This film was shot by a perfectionist, imho. Kubrick used similar misdirection in his films and his films of course are filled with massive amounts of details so that you notice something else each time you watch them.

Different tastes for different people, I thought the ending made the film. It was ultra crazy and my mouth absolutely dropped open when he started beating him and the image of his head caved in and blood pouring out was absolutely horrifying. I can watch the Saw series all day long and never feel the same emotions. It was powerful stuff and I did not feel that it was cheap or over the top. We watched a very long and sometimes slow movie detailing this man's life and this was the conclusion to it. Would you have preferred him lying in bed feeling remorse? It was the only logical ending, out right insanity.

I think many people watching this film are underestimating his lack of human empathy throughout the film because he shrived to compete with our people and meet his goals. You saw him as others saw him, a normal intelligent guy. For his entire life, as far as we know, he never even kisses, touches or attempts to talk to a woman. Think about that for a moment. Think about the look on his face when asked "Is HW all right?" and he says "No".

And I agree that was one of the greatest performances of all time. DDL stalks around the screen like a giant raven.
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02-24-2008 , 05:12 AM
Btw, the reason why the ending was so powerful was because I was just laughing a moment ago. I was cracking up when he starts berating Eli and does the straw speech and then when he is chasing him around and throwing bowling pins at Eli and Eli ducks down and appears on the other side of the room, that was practically slapstick. I believe that it is hard for us to admit and visualize the darkness inside of some individuals thus after liking DDL to some extent throughout the film, it was painful to see him murder a man in this fashion. I dont want to sound like a broken record, but yeah, one of the most power scenes of all time.
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02-24-2008 , 12:28 PM
Agreed on everything Lebowski said.

On the ending-

This is a man who'se spent his entire life being consumed by hate. He's confronted by a man who he sees as having promised miracles, who he saw as betraying that promise by not curing the deafness. This was the same man who was the one and only person who forced him to do something he particularly didn't want to do through the baptism. When they finally get to the bowling alley scene, Eli admits that both the inability to heal and the baptism came as a direct result of Eli lying (granted, to himself) about his connection with god. In other words, the two worst events of Plainview's life came as a direct result of Eli's fabrication.

I'd say Plainview was insane all along, but his success replaced the need to hide that fact. I'd also say that while i never saw the ending coming, no other ending could have been as satisfying for me.
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02-24-2008 , 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by kkcountry
did anybody watch SNL tonight?

wowowowowowowwowowow amazing DDL appearance

Yeah - Bill Hader pulled of a really good DDL/Plainview.
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02-24-2008 , 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by wisehandpoker
I'd say Plainview was insane all along, but his success replaced the need to hide that fact. I'd also say that while i never saw the ending coming, no other ending could have been as satisfying for me.
Agreed. I think throughout the movie he is hiding his true nature, or at least trying to, except for the beginning and the end. While mining for silver in the beginning, he can be himself because no one is around and because he needs all his strength and will to crawl back with that broken leg. In the bowling alley, he can be himself because **** it, he's going to kill Eli anyway.

That may be one reason that he killed the fake brother, too. He told him the speech about competition and 'these people,' and that was fine when the guy was his brother, but he can't have some rando walking around who knows what's in Daniel's heart. (I'm not saying Daniel decided this all consciously, it's just the way he feels.)
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02-24-2008 , 05:08 PM
anyone link to the snl skit?
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02-24-2008 , 05:38 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2hCdM2d6e0

I missed SNL last night so just caught it. Given how insane this impersonation is, the skit is fairly mediocre as a whole. Still worth watching though.
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02-24-2008 , 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by istewart
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2hCdM2d6e0

I missed SNL last night so just caught it. Given how insane this impersonation is, the skit is fairly mediocre as a whole. Still worth watching though.
Wow, that was so promising and so disappointing. Hader does the voice and walk of DDL, but bringing in a bad Chigurh and an okay Juno and doing nothing but imitating lines from the films just turned it into Epic Movie, imo.
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02-24-2008 , 06:36 PM
God that SNL skit was just painful. DDL in a milkshake shop drinking other peoples milkshakes - who the **** writes this stuff? I could have come up with that! Yeah the guy did a pretty solid Daniel Plainview impression but who cares tbh? The NCFOM lines were predicatble as hell aswell.
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02-24-2008 , 09:21 PM
Are you guys joking - have you been watching SNL in the past 4 years? This skit was probably the best thing they've done.
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02-24-2008 , 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Taso
Are you guys joking - have you been watching SNL in the past 4 years? This skit was probably the best thing they've done.
Doesn't the second statement pretty much answer the question for you?
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