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10-13-2013 , 01:27 PM
Sure am glad I never bought drugs on a NSA run internet site.
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10-13-2013 , 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by JB91
The financial losers can receive transfers from the winners. If drugs are made legal and the tax revenues go to the Government, then the Gov't can transfer money to the cops, etc. Potential Pareto improvement and all that stuff applies here.

Also, Silk Road and similar sites are a positive for society imo as it takes drug dealing off the streets and provides consumers with a superior and safer product as reputation is a large part of the game and on a site like SR people can easily post the results of purity tests.
I would think that the incentive to provide a low quality product/cheat consumers is much greater for an online drug dealer. The owners are anonymous and as far as I know operating the site requires very little in unsalvageable costs. Is it easy for people who have used the site to communicate with every other user to share their experience? If not then how do you know some people haven't been cheated? Why people started using it at all is interesting to me as I'm not convinced reputation is enough here for nonperformance prevention.
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10-13-2013 , 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Steven_Q_Erkel
I would think that the incentive to provide a low quality product/cheat consumers is much greater for an online drug dealer. The owners are anonymous and as far as I know operating the site requires very little in unsalvageable costs. Is it easy for people who have used the site to communicate with every other user to share their experience? If not then how do you know some people haven't been cheated? Why people started using it at all is interesting to me as I'm not convinced reputation is enough here for nonperformance prevention.
Wrong pretty much on everything. The sites may not have high initial setup costs but that makes it even more important that their users trust them and stick with them as there are always competitors looking to take over.

For the sellers on the site, people leave feedback on sales, much like ebay. Customers are more likely to purchase from sellers who have high volume high % of positive feedback. If their quality is suspect then they will get poor feedback and customers will use other sellers.

The whole system is much better for quality control than anything offline.
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10-13-2013 , 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by tread lightly
http://krebsonsecurity.com/2013/10/f...er/#more-22980





I recall in the deep web thread a bunch of people were saying they had purchased drugs on SR and weren't worried at all about law enforcement tracking their packages for whatever reason. I think the reality is they definitely can and do track packages, but the main goal is to catch the larger distributors. So if you buy from one of them, you'll get arrested for sure, but not right away, only after they're ready to take down the seller. The good news is they might offer you a reduced sentence if you snitch.

PS: If you're selling drugs on the internet, it would be wise to check out your car for tracking devices often. It would help if one of your employees had a brother in law working for the feds who could alert you to such things in advance.
the post office snaps a picture of every piece of parcel that gets mailed, so I imagine its not too difficult to use this DB to find lots of these mailed drugs are going

now im assuming the drug dealer isnt putting his return address on them (lol), but if hes not putting an address on them, it would be pretty easy im sure to figure out what packages were mailed by him, since how many packages get mailed without an address from a post office in City X, to places all over the country? Also, I imagine it wouldnt be out of the real of feasibility that they have handwriting recognition so it hes hand printing all the packages they can tell which ones came from him. Same could be said if they figure out what hes using if he does put a return address, they could use that to find all the other ones hes sent. Unless he sends ever package with a different return address (thats also actually a real address, and in the area that would make sense for drop off to that post office).

Same could be said if you are receiving regular packages from a place with no return address, or whatever.
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10-13-2013 , 06:42 PM
I would imagine drug packages are relatively small, small enough that you could fit them into mail boxes and not need to go into a real post office. Driving to the next city over once a week to drive around dropping boxes in different mail boxes doesn't seem too difficult.
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10-13-2013 , 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by tread lightly
So if you buy from one of them, you'll get arrested for sure, but not right away, only after they're ready to take down the seller. The good news is they might offer you a reduced sentence if you snitch.
What would they have on me in order to arrest me?
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10-13-2013 , 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by mathmagician3
The pedos are next. It'll shake the usa to it's core.
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Originally Posted by Jzo19
pretty sure the pedo's went down like 3-4 months before this .
The pedos don't get busted because:
(1) there is no money in pedo, so the cops can't forfeit assets
(2) it takes a highly intelligent, highly trained person (civ or LEO) a relatively great deal of time to forensically analyze a computer to the standard required for prosecution. Much easier to have a person of average intelligence and relatively little training execute a search warrant looking for drugs/cash
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10-14-2013 , 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Alobar
the post office snaps a picture of every piece of parcel that gets mailed, so I imagine its not too difficult to use this DB to find lots of these mailed drugs are going

now im assuming the drug dealer isnt putting his return address on them (lol), but if hes not putting an address on them, it would be pretty easy im sure to figure out what packages were mailed by him, since how many packages get mailed without an address from a post office in City X, to places all over the country? Also, I imagine it wouldnt be out of the real of feasibility that they have handwriting recognition so it hes hand printing all the packages they can tell which ones came from him. Same could be said if they figure out what hes using if he does put a return address, they could use that to find all the other ones hes sent. Unless he sends ever package with a different return address (thats also actually a real address, and in the area that would make sense for drop off to that post office).

Same could be said if you are receiving regular packages from a place with no return address, or whatever.
Doesn't seem like it'd be too hard to put a fake return address on there.
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10-14-2013 , 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted by mathmagician3
most drug users/violent offenders are too dumb to access the deep web. no data, but thinking mail order drugs could clean up the streets is super lol.
It might not clean up the streets, but it would provide a less dangerous medium for people to find drugs. That's the point.
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10-14-2013 , 01:40 AM
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Originally Posted by JayTeeMe
Doesn't seem like it'd be too hard to put a fake return address on there.
yeah, but if you are always using the same one, once they find it, they can go back and track all the others. Youd have to use a different one every time, but also make it a real address and also make it an address thats geographically close to the mailbox you dropped it in. Otherwise Im thinking they could prolly use some well written computer code to figure out who is getting drugs shipped to them.

I imagine most people are just lazy and either always put the same fake address, or not one at all and prolly arent even aware that all the mail is photographed.
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10-14-2013 , 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Alobar
yeah, but if you are always using the same one, once they find it, they can go back and track all the others. Youd have to use a different one every time, but also make it a real address and also make it an address thats geographically close to the mailbox you dropped it in. Otherwise Im thinking they could prolly use some well written computer code to figure out who is getting drugs shipped to them.

I imagine most people are just lazy and either always put the same fake address, or not one at all and prolly arent even aware that all the mail is photographed.
What does photographing the boxes tell you? They have drop-boxes that aren't going to be filmed, or at least to the point you won't be able to tell which package is associated with which person/car. There are dozens of such drop boxes around where I live, and it's pretty easy to cycle through many of them with minimal effort (although I can see most just using the closest one).
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10-14-2013 , 11:38 AM
Lol at anyone buying their drugs over the internet. Be more dumb
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10-14-2013 , 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by TomCollins
What does photographing the boxes tell you? They have drop-boxes that aren't going to be filmed, or at least to the point you won't be able to tell which package is associated with which person/car. There are dozens of such drop boxes around where I live, and it's pretty easy to cycle through many of them with minimal effort (although I can see most just using the closest one).
Its not so much the photography of the boxes, its the data of all the shipping info. With some well programmed computer code and a list of "To:, From:, and where the package originated from" they can figure out more than you can prolly imagine, and unless you are incredibly paranoid and careful I can easily see that info leading to you getting busted.
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10-14-2013 , 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by mucksandgravs
Lol at anyone buying their drugs over the internet. Be more dumb

More like LOL at you and all other relic shut ins in this thread who have zero comprehension about what is going on. Between LirvA's bipolar rants about how TOR is run by NSA to kerowo saying "following the law is what u always gotta do!!" this is just getting dumber and dumber.


Do you realize how many customers this site has had? do you know how many have been arrested? pretty much a non-existant percentage. Exposing yourself to drug-dealers IRL is A LOT more risk than this ever was. And if you dumb ****s can't figure out why that is then it shows what kind of backwards anti-tech people you are.

You can sit and point to sensationalized headlines and claim all you want, then in another thread you claim all papers are bought, do you even believe your own ****ing statements?


I really dont give a **** in the end game since I have never seen it as a problem to get drugs any way. Silk road was just a big fish that worked well. There are already a thousand people ready to create sites to take its place.

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Originally Posted by Jzo19
pretty sure the pedo's went down like 3-4 months before this .


I am extremely against peddos and this is just hilariously wrong and its sad that you even say this without openly claiming that its sarcasm. Do you even have any idea of the scope of pedophilia in the world? Do you think a few busts will stop those freaks? There are easy to access link still available on the ****ing wiki for gods sake. There are a huuuuuuge number of links that aren't publicly ever known, just spread amongst them. It will take more than some paranoia to take those sickos down.
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10-14-2013 , 01:14 PM
ohead it seems like you care a lot.

about everything.

and it always pisses you off.
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10-14-2013 , 01:17 PM
I thought shut-ins were mostly pro-tech.
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10-14-2013 , 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by KPowers
ohead it seems like you care a lot.

about everything.

and it always pisses you off.


How do you think I only have this few posts from being on this forum so long? I read a thread for too long bottling up all the rage for all the stupid then just tilt it out in one go. My life is perfect atm tho so not a very angry person!
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10-14-2013 , 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by ohead

I am extremely against peddos and this is just hilariously wrong and its sad that you even say this without openly claiming that its sarcasm. Do you even have any idea of the scope of pedophilia in the world? Do you think a few busts will stop those freaks? There are easy to access link still available on the ****ing wiki for gods sake. There are a huuuuuuge number of links that aren't publicly ever known, just spread amongst them. It will take more than some paranoia to take those sickos down.
yea i was just responding to someone saying the feds didnt care about the pedo sites and were only focusing on SR and drug dealers , when only a few months before they had just taken down freedom hosting . ,,,i didnt mean it to say they had solved pedophilia and had taken down every pedophile site in the world or w/e

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10-14-2013 , 03:08 PM
Sure mock the kid who thinks it's cool to follow the rules you ****ing hippy.
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10-14-2013 , 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by kerowo
Sure mock the kid who thinks it's cool to follow the rules you ****ing hippy.
Some rules are **** you dimwit, and are there to be contested, and they are going to be. Which rules do you stand for? which year? or do you just sway your tail after the highest government bidder?

You dont need religion or a government tell you morals, just a heads up.
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10-14-2013 , 03:51 PM
LOL
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10-14-2013 , 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by ohead
Some rules are **** you dimwit, and are there to be contested, and they are going to be. Which rules do you stand for? which year? or do you just sway your tail after the highest government bidder?

You dont need religion or a government tell you morals, just a heads up.
In before kereowo defends slavery in 1855 because it was the law.
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10-14-2013 , 04:00 PM
I don't quite equate slavery to slackers wanting to get high, nice try though...
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10-14-2013 , 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by kerowo
I don't quite equate slavery to slackers wanting to get high, nice try though...
So it's only laws that harm people that you dislike. Got it.
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10-14-2013 , 04:06 PM
Politard says what?
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