That yes, all dogs can bite, but when a pit bull does it it's far more dangerous.
"But it’s also important for me to help educate people who own pit bulls about their dogs. Pit bulls combine the speed and determination of the terrier side of their ancestry with the strength of the bulldog side.
It is the Terrier determination that causes problems if they fight, because they’ll be oblivious to pain and just refuse to quit."
IMO, this is the appeal of pit bulls in reverse order:
1) People think pit bulls will be protective of their kids and maul any diddlers that come around (they're more likely to maul your kids or their friends for making eye contact)
2) Pit bulls look like they're smiling. Of course, they're not but your human brain interprets their face as a smile and it makes you happy too.
3) Every time you walk a dog you have numerous interactions with other people walking dogs. Those people have to be on guard, defensive, and shy away from your dog to make sure their dog stays safe. It's almost like you're an enormously powerful person walking down the sidewalk! Everyone is submissive to you!
You forgot the smug sense of superiority people get from 'rescuing' a dog from a shelter vs buying one. I think that accounts for nearly everyone who has a pit mix.
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What's Caesar Millan supposed to say? "Stop giving me money. Pit bulls are terrible." His show would be much less popular if he showed up, was introduced to a viscous dog, gave it a lethal dose of barbiturates, and then drove to the next house.
The data is the data. While i understand that handwaving and intellectual laziness are convenient ways to avoid challenging your beliefs,
My belief right now is that it's people like the guy in this video is the reason pit-bulls get a bad rap. it is very hard for me to believe that a breed is inherently bad. I need to look into more but I suspect I'm right.
sterilizing is fine; it reduces overpopulation. putting them down kind of sucks, but if there are more animals than homes there is no other option that makes sense.
What's the harm in mandating that all pitbulls (owned by someone) be sterilized?
When we decide which dogs to put down, what's the harm in putting all the pitbulls (in shelters) down? We have plenty of other dogs to go around.
If pitbulls did not exist, would there be value in creating them?
In the ’70s they blamed Dobermans, in the ’80s they blamed German Shepherds, in the ’90s they blamed the Rottweiler. Now they blame the Pit Bull.”
― Cesar Millan
Glad you agree deaths have gone way up under the pit bull's reign.
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1969 one dog bite fatality
1970 zero dog bite fatalities
1971 one dog bite fatality
2012 35 dog bite fatalities
2013 32 dog bite fatalities
2014 32 dog bite fatalities
It's amazing how literally no pit lover has been able to give an answer as to what unique benefits pit bulls have. The things they do well many other breeds can do. The bad things they do they excel at.
One time I was walking my dog in my neighborhood and some construction workers literally started making fun of me - stuff like "nice badass dog!". She was a 35 lb - samoyed husky/golden lab mix - so not even close to like a teacup dog or something.
I was in my 20s and self-actualized enough to just laugh it off. But peer pressure like that is powerful. Obviously it had to have some impact on me if I still remember it 20 years later.
If you grow up and live in a macho community where that **** is pervasive - no way you're going to settle for anything less than a weaponized dog. Unless maybe you're Omar-level badassery to where no one will call you out no matter what dog you have.
This reason for pit ownership is what a lot of these owners will never tell you - if they're even aware of it themselves. Pick on me now mother****er!
What's the harm in mandating that all pitbulls (owned by someone) be sterilized?
When we decide which dogs to put down, what's the harm in putting all the pitbulls (in shelters) down? We have plenty of other dogs to go around.
If pitbulls did not exist, would there be value in creating them?
The problem is, how do you determine what a "pit bull" is? Most pit bulls are mixes with unknown pedigrees. That's why i like submitting pics and DNA to insurance companies. They love money and will figure out ways to evaluate risk, and thus push everyone in the right direction.
My belief right now is that it's people like the guy in this video is the reason pit-bulls get a bad rap. it is very hard for me to believe that a breed is inherently bad. I need to look into more but I suspect I'm right.
I think they have some bad traits, like it being hard to tell when they are aggressive, but mainly it's the tenacity, fearlessness and pain tolerance. They were bred for that. Doesn't matter if they are inherently sweet, those aren't necessarily tolerable traits even in sweet dogs.
There are people who rescue Elephants and they are very nice and loyal and friendly for the most part, but once in a while one gets annoyed. Pit bull != elephant, but you draw the line somewhere. People shouldn't necessarily be allowed to breed dogs to be more and more dangerous, even if it's just physical and not their disposition.
3) Every time you walk a dog you have numerous interactions with other people walking dogs. Those people have to be on guard, defensive, and shy away from your dog to make sure their dog stays safe. It's almost like you're an enormously powerful person walking down the sidewalk! Everyone is submissive to you!
I probably mentioned this earlier in the thread - but I'm still pissed about that dude who thought it was funny that his pit was trying to stalk and kill my friend's little dog as I walked her.
While walking my friend's dog, I walked right by the dude with hit pit -w which was standing on top of a 2-3' concrete wall. They looked at me, I looked at them. I got about 20 feet further and got a weird feeling. I turned around and looked back and the pit was now in the sidewalk stalking towards us like a crouched lion. Dude was just sitting there with a ****-eating grin on his face.
I know there are good pit owners - but so many I've seen and met are *******s like this.
I think they have some bad traits, like it being hard to tell when they are aggressive, but mainly it's the tenacity, fearlessness and pain tolerance. They were bred for that. Doesn't matter if they are inherently sweet, those aren't necessarily tolerable traits even in sweet dogs.
1969 one dog bite fatality
1970 zero dog bite fatalities
1971 one dog bite fatality
2012 35 dog bite fatalities
2013 32 dog bite fatalities
2014 32 dog bite fatalities
It's not just classification of dogs. It's an explosion of the popularity of fighting breed/mixes.
I blame today's spoiled toddlers who don't know their place around dogs.
In the ’70s they blamed Dobermans, in the ’80s they blamed German Shepherds, in the ’90s they blamed the Rottweiler. Now they blame the Pit Bull.”
― Cesar Millan
And none of those dogs maimed and killed with the severity we see now. I love Cesar but he's dead wrong about how dangerous pit bulls are.
It could be true that the Dog Whisperer could raise any pit to not be violent. But we have shown story after story in this thread - which all the pit supporters refuse to read - which show pits raised completely lovingly and well who went on to kill with no provocation or warning. If someone has to be the absolute perfect dog owner to raise a dog from being violent - that's not a good dog to have around.
I probably mentioned this earlier in the thread - but I'm still pissed about that dude who thought it was funny that his pit was trying to stalk and kill my friend's little dog as I walked her.
While walking my friend's dog, I walked right by the dude with hit pit -w which was standing on top of a 2-3' concrete wall. They looked at me, I looked at them. I got about 20 feet further and got a weird feeling. I turned around and looked back and the pit was now in the sidewalk stalking towards us like a crouched lion. Dude was just sitting there with a ****-eating grin on his face.
lol you cant be serious
What did the dog do to indicate he was trying to kill your friends dog?
My belief right now is that it's people like the guy in this video is the reason pit-bulls get a bad rap. it is very hard for me to believe that a breed is inherently bad. I need to look into more but I suspect I'm right.
Do you also not believe that some breeds are inherently smarter than others?
it is very hard for me to believe that a breed is inherently bad. I need to look into more but I suspect I'm right.
Is it also hard for you to believe that some breeds have an instinct to fetch things from water and some breeds have an instinct to herd sheep?
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Here in the uk jack russells/Labradors bite more humans in a year than all the banned breeds, Rottweilers and stafforshire bull terriers put together
In the UK most people want dogs as pets not weapons and only a few psychos who want people to be frightened of them still own Rottweilers after the decades of bad press. So the bites will be mostly from the dogs that are popular there. Also where is your source for that information?
What did the dog do to indicate he was trying to kill your friends dog?
Well let's see.
The pit watched us walk by then didn't move until we got past and weren't looking at him/her anymore. Then the dog silently jumped down off the wall and made it about 2/3 of the way towards me and the little dog, completely silently. When I turned around the dog was hunched down, inching along like a cat stalking it's prey. As soon as I turned around it stopped in its tracks. The dog's owner thought this was all quite amusing.
Yeah, nothing possible to infer here. Pit bulls aren't known to attack other dogs with no warning or provocation (see OP) or stalk other dogs.
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The dog continuously crouches down to the ground. When the other dog comes back out, the dog focuses back on the other dog. It assumes a stalking position and stares intently at the other dog. The trainer interrupts the stalking and staring with the pet corrector. When the dog tries to lunge, the trainer pulls the leash up and uses the pet corrector again. The dog begins to lay down and tries to rub the muzzle off.
Thank god you turned around and scared the dog off from killing the other dog
I'm not even saying pit Bulls don't attack without provocation but the way you word your story makes it sound like imminate death awaited your furry little friend, which obviously isn't the case. The dog literally showed no signs of aggression, you turned around and the dog just walked away? Like how did you ever even consider your dog being in danger from that?
You realize less than 1/1000 putbulls have attacked people right?
Is it right to euthanize a breed for the outliers? Sure, I wouldn't be opposed. Dogs are dogs and humans are humans. A dogs life should never take precedence and the attacks occur often enough that people denying the ferocity of the breed are just stupid and this coming from the son of a dog trainer who has trained and fostered many pitbulls. I love pitbulls, but I'm not gonna get one because I can get a golden retriever that will provide the same benefits without the potential drawbacks
But your story is so over exaggerated, just say the breed makes you uncomfortable which is fine.