Maybe we've not made this clear.

All dogs are capable of biting.

We agree.

how many resulted in death or severe damages ?

But they were documented. Certainly the fatalities. And there used to be like 0-3 of those a year and now that there are a million pits there are like 20 a year.

So, yeah, while a given pit is unlikely to kill you, if a dog kills you, it's likely to be a pit.

And, since everyone is cool with sterilizing dogs, who cares if all the breeds created for being thrown into a pit and fighting to death are sterilized?

Don't totally disagree with this but the problem is you have to wait for somebody to be hurt before this thinking can label a dog as "dangerous". I personally think that powerful dogs that have the potential to do serious damage to people have no business living amongst people.

BIG DOGGY have you all right where they want you!

Which ones do you disagree with??

http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-sta...ities-2015.php

http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-sta...ities-2014.php

http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-sta...ities-2013.php

http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-sta...ities-2012.php

http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-sta...ities-2011.php

http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-sta...ities-2010.php

http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-sta...ities-2009.php

I'm sure that if you find any errors, they will update their data, conspiracy-agenda aside.

Some people are afraid of harmless dogs. People were afraid of my boxer at times. That doesn't mean I should muzzle him.

Right, and that might be a decent argument if we were discussing harmless dogs here, but we are discussing pit bulls so your argument is pointless.

Dogs that are referred to as “pit bulls” in statistical reports actually are a variety of breeds and mixes all lumped together under the “pit bull” heading.

People will miss label American Pit Bull Terriers and just lump several breeds under the name "Pit bull". So yes, I disagree, especially, again, they pull it from news headlines, which doesn't mean every single one was reported by the news.

No. However it's important to me, before I could rubber stamp a sheet of paper that the breed be banned.

Someone mentioned at the start of the thread that only pitbulls hold on when they bite. That's not true. I knew some scumbag pikeys that trained a lab to lock onto other dogs in a fight. Pit bull breeds are only targeted by these people.

My argument is that pitbulls are harmlful when they are trained to be harmful until I see a list of cases of pitbulls attacking who were trained
by decent people.

So, any specific ones you disagree with or just generally you're on to a conspiracy here that only you're smart enough to see.

Click on the victim's name to get the in-depth info. Notice that there are photographs of the dogs.

I thought we were past the argument mislabeling of chihuahuas as pit bulls and agreed all pitbull mixes are labeled as pitbulls.

How about the unborn child and mother being killed by a pit. Hoe do you feel about that? Wrong media coverage?

See mother and unborn child.

Decent people. Smh.

1969 one dog bite fatality
1970 zero dog bite fatalities
1971 one dog bite fatality
2012 35 dog bite fatalities
2013 32 dog bite fatalities
2014 32 dog bite fatalities

It's not just classification of dogs. It's an explosion of the popularity of fighting breed/mixes.

Do you see what a ridiculous self-fulfilling standard this is? Any time someone's pit bull attacks someone else, you simply label them as a "bad owner" and then there's nothing to see here.

In that story i linked earlier of the 14-month old getting killed, the woman had raised those pits from puppies and we know that the dogs were well trained to the point that they didn't get out of their kennels when the door was open but rather than when they were told they could get out. They were inside dogs kept as pets but the pit-tards mobilized to say that she was an abusive, neglectful owner (when they have no idea ldo). Nothing to see here.

A rottweiler was listed on that site as well. Let's ban all big dogs?
The slogan is, some dogs don't let go. Link me to an unbiased site.

Do you think pitbulls bite just as often as other dogs or more/less ? If you couldn't have a pitbull, what dog would you own and how would the experience be lessened by it not being a pitbull ?

I don't own a dog.
What if everyone who owns a pitbull owned a rottweiler instead and everyone who owned a cocker spaniel owned a pitbull, would there be as many pitbull attacks or would it be rottweiler attacks that are more often?

When i am in the street I dont know if that random pitbull have some good and competent owner and if he has or not any psychological scars so i m fine putting a muzzle on all without distinction and the owner beeing fined or lose his dog if he isnt on a leash.

In the UK there is a dangerous dogs act of 1991
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dangerous_Dogs_Act_1991

Under the 1991 Act (and as amended in 1997) it is illegal to own any Specially Controlled Dogs without specific exemption from a court. The dogs have to be muzzled and kept on a lead in public, they must be registered and insured, neutered, tattooed and receive microchip implants. The Act also bans the breeding, sale and exchange of these dogs, even if they are on the Index of Exempted Dogs.[1]

Four types in particular were identified by the Act:

Pit Bull Terrier (The English Staffordshire Bull Terrier is not on the list)
Japanese Tosa
Dogo Argentino
Fila Brasileiro

The Act also covers cross breeds of the above four types of dog. Dangerous dogs are classified by "type", not by breed label. This means that whether a dog is prohibited under the Act will depend on a judgement about its physical characteristics, and whether they match the description of a prohibited "type". This assessment of the physical characteristics is made by a court.

In the ’70s they blamed Dobermans, in the ’80s they blamed German Shepherds, in the ’90s they blamed the Rottweiler. Now they blame the Pit Bull.”
― Cesar Millan

Rottweiler's are really dangerous dogs too. The chart i referenced earlier showed that there are about 1/3 as many rottweilers as pit bulls in the USA and they kill about 1/7th as many people as pit bulls. They're the only other dog in the pit bull's league, the next closest is German shepards (1/2 as many as pit bulls, cause 1/30th the deaths).

I think i agree with you that whatever applies to pit bulls should also apply to rottweilers?


The data is the data. While i understand that handwaving and intellectual laziness are convenient ways to avoid challenging your beliefs, in this case the raw data is in front of you and easy to access. Either show that it's wrong or stfu.

Cool quote bro.

Now can you provide the data he is using to show that Pitbulls don't bite more than other breeds because that would seem to go against the majority of data.

What's Caesar Millan supposed to say? "Stop giving me money. Pit bulls are terrible." His show would be much less popular if he showed up, was introduced to a viscous dog, gave it a lethal dose of barbiturates, and then drove to the next house.