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OMG read my post in direct response to yours. I have said 100 times that I realize bans on breeds may be unworkable. The last page or so has just been arguing with Krazy8s about whether pits are even that dangerous. FFS does any pro-pitbull person have the capacity to process a basic argument and move to the next step?

In before: that's all fine suzzer but the CDC doesn't support breed bans, so you're still wrong.

You'd never be caught dead with a wussy little dog would you? I remember when I was in college, walking my dog past a lot in my neighborhood with a bunch of guys building a house. She was a little golden lab/samoyed husky mix, about 30 lbs, but not like a super-mini dog or anything.

Some of the dudes working on the house literally started making fun of me for having such a non-macho dog. Saying stuff like "Oh what a badass dog." This is the mentality of a lot of pit owners I've met. They'd rather have to hold their wife's purse than get caught walking some dog they deem effeminate. So of course those guys are going to be impressed when their dog does something powerful or aggressive. The dog picks up on that real quick.

A quick avatar scan of the pro pit crowd itt is pretty interesting.

No one antagonized the dog in my OP. He silently flew out of that car window and latched onto the other dog completely unprovoked. His owner seemed like a decent guy who I really doubt mistreated the dog.

But you've been around good pits so again, sigh, I guess that negates everything.

I am impressed you found a golden retriever mauling though. So score one there.

isnt this pretty much like saying an assault rifle is more dangerous than a .22 handgun? No **** sherlock.

Banning them is lol
special license...whatever...but imo if you're going to do this then just make it for dogs of a certain weight and higher have to be registered, mandatory innoculations, have to fill out an application, take a class whatever... you could even treat them like guns and prevent violent felons or something from being able to own them...however limiting this to pitbulls is just media-driven paranoia.

however your biggest problem here however is enforcement. Without some really intrusive inspection process I dont see how this would work. Seems like it would just create a new black market opportunity.

I was just looking through this thread and there are so many great points like this that you pro pit guys just willfully ignore, by posters much smarter than me because they know how to make their point and not get sucked into threads from hell. Pattern: pro pit guy brings up same points already brough up 20x in thread, 10 ppl make really good points, a couple pro pit guys make terrible points, a couple more pro pit guys proclaim them far and away the winner, repeat process. So with that I'm done. Maybe someday I'll learn how to not get sucked into arguing with the utterly unconvincable.

And now, back to Politics...

They should just change their name to Pretty Fellows.

PITBULLS=PURE EVIL

I especially like this part of that video with the responsible owners doing responsible and cool things with their awesome and undangerous dogs. So cool and responsible. And tough. And cool.

Suzzer, I'm pretty sure that using AKC numbers to estimate how aggressive a dog is will lead you astray. A vast majority of pits are unregistered so while they may show up as #33 in AKC they are actually closer to #1 in overall dog population. (They might even be #1 at this point.)

LOLOLOLOL

suzzer do you really believe the APBT is #33 among dog breeds just because your hero z32 said so?

That's completely ridiculous. It's close to, if not the most popular breed of dog in America.

Unfortunately, because of an attitude similar to yours, nearly all pit bulls go unregistered or are outlawed in their area and don't receive proper treatment/care

Holy god some of you are ******ed

Quick avatar search? What are you even implying???

What disgusting immoral bad-avatar-having cretins allowed these killers to be bred?

LOL...OK so I got a bit heated last night. This whole pit bulls are a bad dog thing is huge tilt button for me. And the game at the Mirage was not good for me.

And perhaps the poodle thing was a bit um....well ok...just leave it at that.

But I was thinking about this on a bigger scope. WTF is it with banning stuff? Suzzer you saw a pit jump out and attack some other dog...OK. But, why should that mean that people that love them and care for them are not allowed to.

Let's look at a few analogies to the same ideas....

Guns
I have some of them. I don't take them to the strip and point them at people or shoot them at people (unless they deserve it ) But there are a lot of instances where that happens...therefore BAN? Um...no

Mc Donalds
Makes you fat.....if you are a lazy undisciplined turd....Ban? Um...no I really enjoy a good 1/4 con cheese.

Drinking and driving
sure it's alot of fun but it kills people....Ban? well ok, that one passes

My point here is that this country has really started to lean towards the person making the most noise gets his way...so ban stuff. They banned dodge ball in schools FFS because the lazy slow kids got knocked out early i guess. And it hurt their feelings. Man I LOVED dodgeball! Bummer my kids don't get to experience it.

I hope I don't ever have an experience with a pit like you did. But, if I do I certainly will not be calling for a ban or asking anyone if they think they should be banned. ban\ban

"Good night and good luck."
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Lol at the pro pit bull vid that is full of shots of the dogs running up and biting something at face height then hanging on refusing to let go.

Yeah I did too. I feel kinda dumb about the whole thing actually. Man I can sure be obnoxious and annoying.

Don't drink and internet kids.

Your other arguments have some merit, but pre-meditated?

is this a joke?
dogs playing with toys?

I mean for a few seconds before they pounce. I've had one sneaking up behind me very quietly when I was walking a little dog - stalking. It was definitely trying to get as close as possible w/o being detected so it could grab her.

Just clarifying that. Not coming back in to argue with the others.

It's more like saying a real gun is more dangerous than a bb gun.

When something has the potential to cause severe and irreparable harm, there's a requirement for due diligence on the part of the person who takes on the responsibility of owning it.

And it isnt enough to just hold the owner responsible once that **** goes down, because often they won't be able to compensate the victims adequately and the litigation process ends up being such an enormous cost that it's barely even worth pursuing.

For the same reason why car insurance is mandatory, it's not unreasonable to make it mandatory to insure any dog that is physically capable of ****ing people up severely. The chances of having a fatal car accident are remote.. .and the chances of a pitbull (or any other large and aggressive dog) is generally speaking remote... but you cant just absolve yourself of responsibility because you have the general belief that you're a 'good owner'.

That doesnt mean you're going to be paying through the teeth to insure your dog. It will be proportional to whatever the actual risks / potential damages are.

And the cost of that will go down based on how well trained it is / how it performs at a state sponsored evaluation.


Much like it's illegal to drive without auto insurance, it should be illegal (and heavily fined) to own a potentially dangerous dog without insurance.


Can you always enforce it? no.
There will be people who slip by, and keep their dog out of sight.
But if they are caught, it should carry heavy fines - just as driving without insurance does.
And if their dog does snap, and they never bothered to register/insure/train it formally - then they should be held criminally responsible for negligence.



And it doesnt matter how many animal advocacy groups are against that; they're not the ultimate arbiters of what is right with animal laws - just as I wouldnt trust the NRA to decide on an effective gun law. it's a public policy decision, and it's something more suited for an economist to evaluate than a veterinary organization.

OMG

And I've seen a pit kill a dog at a dog park, which is also basically meaningless in regard to this discussion.

Regardless of everything else, I heaters avatar.