There is a direct 1:1 correlation with me going on walks at 830 in the morning hung over and the number of times I haven't picked up dog poo.

But yeah for the most part people don't care about picking up dog ****. I do dump the poo into people's trashcans that are within reach if we are further than 5 mins away from my house though. I've never thought about whether or not that bothered people. Hmm...

A certification course wouldn't really even be necessary, if people actually felt they would be held responsible for their dogs actions. Many times, these go enforced. Cops just don't care about animal problems and seems to be the lowest priority on their agenda.

I don't think you understood why he said it looks dumb.

High: 328
Average: 320???
But pitbulls are 235???

Is every other dog breed 321-327 or what?

Its not the force of the bite so much as how long they can hold that level of pressure in their jaw.

The person with all the cute pitbull stories recently said "9/10 dog owners are irresponsible" or something similar. I couldn't agree more, this is the exact reason why pitbulls and other dangerous dogs shouldn't be so easy to own. Classes and licensing can only help so much. The bottom line is, most people who own dogs are simply not up to the task of raising them correctly. A lot of dog owners probably don't even understand this. Its one thing to neglect a lab, have it go crazy, and start chewing its tail off or eating its own poop. I believe your dog is a good dog, and I'm sure 10-15% of the other pit bulls out there are just as good as yours.

this is a v good thread

You know nothing of what speak! This is a ridiculous post

I am a current owner of a rescued Pit. Pure Red Nosed named "Chance" since he was on his last day after a 30 day stay at the LV shelter.

I have been a dog owner for my entire life.

It comes down to 1 thing and 1 thing only. OWNER RESPONSIBILITY. I exercise my dog EVERY day. And he goes to the dog park 4+ day/week. He was a TOTAL wreck when I got him out of the shelter. He is now the MOST amazing most obidient dog I have EVER owned!!

He will basically do anything I ask of him with enthusiasm. He learns faster than any breed I have had in the past. He is always looking to please me as I am the leader of his pack.

He has major rules and boundaries that he must adhere to and he truly enjoys getting things right.

He is also a great Alarm as any unnoticed noise outside is quickly investigated by him and if it does not look like a normal thing he lets us know that something is not right.

I have 3 kids and he is very loving and snuggly with them.

It completely TILTS me when I hear this crap about pits. They are a very strong very active SUPER loyal breed. They are working dogs. They need to have a job. If you leave any dog with these breed characteristics alone in the back yard and he is not challenged he will find a challenge for himself!

STOP the bashing of this fantastic breed.

You are aware that ALL dogs have sharp pointy teeth and if neglected EVERY one of them will eat you if givin the chance.

This thing about an in-bread danger is such TOTAL crap!

Apparently, if you're a ******ed animal lover, you can make a perfect dog out of a pitbull. You're right though, if you treated a Chihuahua like total **** for all of its life, and then turned it loose on a sleeping infant, it would probably try to eat it.

I mean no, poodles arent naturally bloodthirsty animals that will kill you if they arent trained properly, but I get your point. And thats why we cant ban them. No amount of sob stories about how when pit bull owners are responsible the dogs are really nice or whatever will help this argument though.

However, if pit bulls are banned, some life nit that manages to get mauled by the 2nd most dangerous dog will call for their banning. And then they will be banned, and some life nit will get mauled by the 3rd most dangerous dog and they will be banned as well. Which is why none of them can be banned.

I'm actually in the market for a rescue dog at the moment. However, my condo association has a no pitt rule. Thoughts on passing this little lady off as a boxer?



she just doesn't look particularly pit bullish to me, and she has an awesome personality

Don't do it. Sure he/she could easily pass for an am staff or a boxer, but one nit at the condo complaining could force you to move or surrender your dog. Its awesome that you want to rescue vs going to a breeder, but you don't want to have to return him.

no chance that passes for a boxer lol

It's absolutely staggering to me the number of people who keep coming into this thread making the exact same two points: 1) my pit is awesome, 2) owners are responsible if pits go bad. We have addressed those two points something like 30 times itt (1. = anecdotal, 2. = pits are far more dangerous than most dogs). You don't have to agree with it, but at least address the argument in it's current stage.

Lets face it bad dogs are raised by bad owners just like kids that turn out bad usually have bad parents.

Though a pit bull has so much power that a bad one can do so much damage. As a condo association or city I understand the bylaws. Also not the bad owners tend to be attracted to Pit Bulls

Also note most home owners policies do not cover a residence with a pit bull

Trained assassin waiting to pounce ldo.

Ok...so back up your statement #2 That "pits are far more dangerous than most dogs"

As I said. I go to a large dog park AT LEAST 4x / Wk. Over the past year and a half at this particular location. I have seen about 2-3 issues which involved a pit (and they were minor btw.)

BUT, I have seen 7 yes 7 people bitten in the small dog side by .... wait for it.... yes the beloved poodle.

I have seen so many altercations which involved a non-pit breed. I would think it is safe to say I have seen more than 20 major dog fights that did not involve a pit at my park. ALSO, MOST of these altercations take place on a weekend. Those are the dogs that don't get the attention/exercise that they need.

I am speaking from personal experience and therefore a factual based non knee jerk position.

right, because poodles are oh so hard to take control of, and have jaw-locking deadly bites....


again, please read the thread. it's not a matter of frequency, nor even severity, but frequency x severity. pitts are clearly ahead by a long shot

So address the points that I made then. I am speaking from personal experience. I have not seen ANY ... Yes that's right ANY serious incidents that involved blood and a pit. I'm not saying that they don't occur. They do and that's unfortunate. I am saying that in my experience that the VAST MAJORITY of bite incidence have been caused by a NON Pitbull breed.

So you are saying that since "jimmy" or "sally" got bitten hard enough for an ambulance to be called and a police report to be completed that it is no big deal that it was a poodle.....?

I have read this thread from page 1 on to here. That is why I made the clarification to my original post.

So its frequency x severity.......ahhh i get it now.

yes we're talking about serious injury and actual deaths itt. a poodle bite requires a few stitches on average. a pitbulls' bite..an amputation or casket. see the diff?

worldwide documented cases >>>> one persons dog park sample size

Sigh, and... the third thing. Pit owners throw out bite statistics. Bite != mauling. Poodles don't latch on for dear life and take 2 minutes to pull them off with their owners repeatedly punching them in the head as hard as they possibly can. Poodles don't stalk. Poodles weren't bred to destroy other dogs. Please find me a story of poodles killing a child or their owner.

I'm sure lots more people get shot with BB guns than real guns. Doesn't mean BB guns are just as dangerous or should be regulated like real guns.

Bah..there's no reasoning with bias emotional inconsiderate fools.

[banging head on desk]

really...little melodramatic don't you think.

Biased = yes, I happen to LOVE DOGS and think the pitbull get a very bad rap.

emotional Inconsiderate fool.....really that's all you got. Show me where I have been any of those things here. I gave you background on my statements and asked you to do the same as you make the typical...whaaa whaaa whaaa pitbulls are mean so there statements.