As others have mentioned, I would anticipate that she would find other outlets--almost certainly online as she does not have the ability to sustain relationships (particularly healthy ones) irl.

But we wouldn't be complicit in any of her acute mental health episodes or a chronic decline. Despite the fact that people here occasionally try to help her, it is obvious by now that is futile. Consequently, serious attempts to help her are decreasing. It seems cruel to allow her to continue here solely to provide entertainment to others to her own emotional detriment.

I would disagree that we don't have that much influence on her life. Look at all the time she spends on 2+2--even while at work. Where does she go to voice her suicidal ideation--(1) Code's cell (2) OOT. Would she go so far off the rails as she did a couple of days ago if 2+2 wasn't influencing her life--and not in a positive manner?

You don't know what the butterfly effect of banning her could cause.

I could see a lot of different scenarios playing out.

"Despite the fact that people here occasionally try to help her, it is obvious by now that is futile"

She's lost/will lose an implied 1/3rd of her body waite...

I agree with these words.

+ affinity!

A lot of people did care. A lot of people would help if she showed any serious interest in getting help. A lot of people feel bad for her poor kid.

Cant wait to see what tomorrow brings! And speaking of attention whores, Rj should join the steak contest she could marinate the meat in her ass for 72 hours.

MLYLT or anyone else in similar situation, I found this list of traits very helpful in recognizing how I function and how my actions affect (and hurt) those around me, as well as how I can escape the victim mentality so central to MLYLT's posts. Fwiw I see basically all of these traits in MLYLT.



Again, not expecting MLYLT to have an epiphany from this. It appears to me she might have to hit rock bottom before she is able to recover. Unfortunately, as bad as things have gotten for her, that doesn't appear to have yet happened. In some ways, it seems to me that posting on 2+2 is just enabling her to continue in her current state, but I also understand that banning her permanently wouldn't be so simple a solution.

Thought VRs posts were outstanding.

Godspeed to MLYLT and anyone else ITT struggling.

As was said upthread, the title of this thread is not meant as instructions.

I honestly don't know whether banning Mlylt would be good or bad for her. I tend to think she would do what RJ suggested and just make alternate accounts and then eventually outing herself by going off on a mad rant at someone. I think it's pretty unfair to hold a forum to account for someone's mental health. Personal accountability has to come into it at some point and I know myself when I have gone through difficult times I have limited myself dramatically online as I realised it wasn't good for me at that time. Mlylt seems quite self aware regarding her mental health and understands when she is slipping and when she is manic but doesn't even attempt to restrict her time on here when she is likely to get triggered by comments.

Just do what you think is best for the forum Imo. Unfortunately a lot of the sympathy people have had for Mlylt has diminished as time has gone on, especially after the magic show business. Personally I don't really have an opinion on perma banning her, I don't care either way. I firmly believe she will never be released from containment though so if she stays it will be a given that the same old crap will keep repeating itself. Just depends really on how annoying it is for the mods.

I don't think she's done anything egregious enough to warrant a permanent ban. Simple as that. She gets value from her H&F log and is welcome there - I don't see any reason to invoke a site-wide ban just because she's rustled a few jimmies in OOT.

Personally I'd let her continue posting, contained, in OOT, but I seem to have a higher tolerance than most of you for her shenanigans.

This is probably right. If people don't want to have contact with her they can just choose to not come into the thread. Anyone wanting to mercy ban her has to take into consideration she does get a lot of social interaction here that is clearly missing in her RL and even if she was banned she would just make alternate accounts which may make things harder to moderate.

Have we considered some sort of non-aggression pact? I would be curious as to what M can accomplish with 48% of Poland.

lol no way. its impossible for someone with such horrific nba takes to be a good poster.

damn. I saw all the posts and say she was banned and assumed it was perma which made me happy.

you gotta do it tho. its mercy. this place is awful for her. she deserves a lot of it. she brings it on herself and I have no idea how so many of the ppl she has attacked are still reasonable and nice to her.

but I can see how she feels persecuted and attacked bc many ppl do simultaneously point out her flaws and make jokes at her expense. I think it goes a bit too far but its no single persons fault. thats just internet.

regardless, its terrible for her and its really not healthy for all the grown ups here to spend time laughing at the sick person.

just get it over with.

bolded is a good way to put it and what I was trying to express in my post. hell, I feel guilty just reading this thread (ofc I cant stop). I dont see how ppl can read all of the abuse thrown at her, despite her deserving nearly all of it, and think does reflect well in any way on this forum and its inhabitants.

and, that aside, its clear the best thing for her is a perma ban and has been for well over a year.

@mly, I dont think ppl here have it out for you as much as you think. its just that when you eff up or act up there are like 20 ppl who point it out so it seems that you are being attacked.

the reality is that there have been many people who have put a lot of effort into helping you and thousands of posts with great advice. you should reread everything from gregorio, citanul, and thayer at least and likely a few others I can remember.

for real tho. think of how much time you spend here. spend it with your kid instead.

It's no single person's fault, but it's mostly the fault of a select few. Whatever validity she has in feeling persecuted is the fault of a handful of posters who do take an extremely one-sided approach against her and whose posts are never even remotely constructive. If they got culled then the tone taken toward her would be totally reasonable (even if sometimes negative), and she would basically have no legitimate gripe, as obviously her animosity toward the likes of RJ and Rexx is just pants-on-head levels of stupid.

That said, even in that scenario it would just be reasonable posters beating their heads into the wall as she continues to ignore good advice, so if she just gets the heave-ho then not that much is lost.

I think containment is the worst option for MLY and OOT. It makes MLY feel shunned; it gives her a place to make OOT her blog, which isn't the point of a containment thread; it ensures that every post she makes--even the benign ones--will be met with trolling. There's no way she can post well in that thread in it's current form.

Treat her like any other poster and let her post in throughout OOT. Most of her posts would be fine in their appropriate threads. If people follow her around and troll her when she makes normal posts, then temp them. If she starts making a thread all about her, or starts blogging in the ****Monthly**** then temp her. If she gets temp'd a few times, then exile her. If people like her personal drama, then let her continue to blog in the bad posting thread; otherwise, let her do that in House of Blogs or her H&F log and temp/exile her if she does it anywhere in OOT.

Greg, Larry, 27:


Excellent suggestion. Uncontain mly and treat her like anyone else, and let things proceed however they do.

In honor of the banned one!





It's SBC Sunday ya'll!

The problem with apologists like Gregorio is that if you filter out the flaccid from his post it essentially says "lets ignore everything this person has ever done and pretend they're just like every one else".

Ooohh but if she messes up in multiple MORE threads (again) we'll exile her! Ooooo you're so tough on her Greg! ... treating her like every single other poster that hasn't already proven themselves to be terrible.

That's rich coming from an exiled poster back on a different account posting in the same style that got him exiled with no reprecussions.

I actually agree that for Mlylt giving her free reign would be best for her but for the forum I think it's an awful idea. It's pretty much just delaying the inevitable when she ends up exiled or banned. Maybe that's the point though, idk.

This.

All paths lead to the same endpoint of her exiting the forum.

Get on the Happy Train. ALL ABOOOOARD!!!!

In a few hours we'll know the truth.

BTW - you were lucky to avoid containment with that hot rounders take!