Oh, come on. Don't be sore about it. And no, I dislike all of those things except the slender frame bit. I used to be crazy into that in my early 20s and the black rims thing is a maybe.

It's only meaningless if you actually don't know what you're talking about or she doesn't care. Or if you're a poor conversationalist

Lol not sore, just throwing out my best guess as to your type. I don't think it's inherently offensive to be into a guy who's like what I just described.

So I should look up what red wine pairs with peanut butter cookies? Haha. I'll actually take a read about wine before Friday

Ha, I mean if you were really pairing you'd get a dessert wine. Just get something for 15 dollars and make sure it's not dry

If you start reading about tannins you've gone too far, that's for your second lesson

3bet sure is bonafieding all up in this bitch

Get a red wine that's not dry, gotcha.

Just got back from coffee date.

TR:

Had coffee, walked around Bloomington on a beautiful 60 degree night. They have really nice Christmas lights strung up downtown this time of year. Kissed her sitting on the stoop of a random bookstore. I suggested going back to my place, she resisted, so we went and saw a movie in a theater: Frozen, the Disney movie. We made out basically the whole time. Afterwards, I again suggested we go back to my place, and she said yes.

At this point, my "Christian Roommate and Fatty Fat Girlfriend Cockblock Constantly" thread came into play. He was just sleeping on our couch there. I didn't feel that she would be receptive to sex just yet, so I decided to be the douche bag and turn on the tv. We watched South Park and I started making out with her again. Roommate woke up, called me a douche bag, went back to fatty mcgoo.

Eventually I started fingering her under her dress. She was very wet, but eventually told me to stop and we had a talk about what I wanted. I truthfully said I eventually wanted a relationship, to which she then said we should wait for sex. Oh well... We sat and cuddled and kissed for the rest of the time she was there. Then I drove her to her car and said goodbye.

Fairly successful, I'd say. I'll probably see her again

goofyballer norcal brewery tour confirmed getting the panties wet

On the tinder front, I've been matched with two cave trolls so far

I disagree, but its cool. Its not like I don't think there is validity in a more personalized message its just that the ROI is ridiculously low with that approach.

Another great benefit of a standard message is it prevents guys from writing terrible messages when they think they are being clever. Which based off reading females friends messages is usually the case.

Being really good looking is also, of course, entirely subjective. Looks don't matter nearly as much to women as they do to men anyway. Of course the super studs have a massive leg up but not many of them are online to begin with. A guy who is a 6+, in shape and has great photos/profile is going to clean up. Provided he messages enough women to find the ones that his type and trys to improve his relationships with women.

Anyway if what you're doing is working obv ignore what I say. You could be very witty and have it translate well via email. Very few men are going to be able to pull that off.

I have gotten comments on my messages from dates also. They are usually either:

"Was that a copy and paste"

or

"I loved how quickly you asked me out, most guys drag on forever"

When asked if its copy paste I just say yes and say yes my keyboard was on the fritz or something. They giggle and we move on. They don't care.

How common is it for attractive Online Datings Girls to give it up on the first Date? Are most of them looking for short-term flings or actual relationships?

I agree with you, having like 3-4 messages on standby is the best. Also always on the lookout for a quick add on that doesn't require much work.

I would never folds 98s otb after limpers, but when it comes to the ladies I like the way your brain works.

whats with this coffee stuff, ask them to smoke a bowl with you if they under 21. chicks dig bad boys, eff coffee u hoemo.

also, while 18-22 yo's are super sexy i feel bad that you have to deal with them. just glued to the phone constantly.

totally depends on the guy and where she is on her menstrual cycle. hard to see a boring nerd with a good job getting some on first date under any conditions when she can get a few more meals out of the deal. however if its the cocky jerk type and shes ovulating, dem panties be dropping.

This is very, very much on point. Somebody has read up on their biology.

Do you really ask chicks that are under 21 if they wanna smoke a bowl?? No way that is more effective lol

The Girls I like tend to frown upon smoking weed for some reason. They probably associate it with the stereotypical lazy pothead.

Coffee is boring. Girls want to have fun.

I think you would do very well approaching sub 21 yo's from this sort of angle:

hey you seem cool but I gotta ask ahead of time, are you mjj friendly? I go out with girls all the time and when I mention weed they get all uptight, are you one of those types?

or something.

if you dont smoke then scrap this idea but i think it has huge potential for you.

leaving money on the table by not overlimping w 98s and by not using your image to the ladies as effectively as possible.

whats their age? i wouldn't run this on girls over 22 say.

also we live in socal, weed is looked at differently than most parts of the us.

18-21. I know there's plenty of Girls that would be up for smoking a bowl, but they're usually a certain type of Girl. I guess going for a coffee probably requires you to be a better conversationalist than if you were to get high instead, so most people probably come across boring on coffee dates if they're not prepared.

Alright you ****ing silly geese. Behold the following:

http://www.pokerroom.com/poker/poker...stats-by-card/

Look at 98s. What is it's overall EV (based on 368k+ real money hands)? It is exactly 0.0000. "LOLZ 3Bet, we are on the buttonzzz" you say? Then behold the following:

http://www.pokerroom.com/poker/poker...ts-by-players/

Select total number of players to 9. Look for 98s on the button. What is it's EV? +0.04.

I previously did some calculations with my buddy, and 0.04 isn't even enough to offset the rake. In other words, with rake taken into account, +0.04 hole cards are overall -EV. In addition, here is my challenge to you jesters. Pull up your HEM or PT's, and look at your lifetime bb/100 with 98s specifically. Are any of you doing any sort of damage with it?

I've also been tracking some big winners at online poker and a lot of them play as tight as 13/11, which I can assure you does not include playing 98s in any position (well, it might include playing 98s if folded to on the button). I may be wrong in that I should play 98s on button after 4 limpers, but I think the debate is much closer than your ridicule would have one believe. If anything, I think I am much more likely to be wrong at that for live poker but not for online (which is where I was born & raised in pokerland). As evidenced from the above mentioned charts, this hand is far from a monster, even on the button, and despite what Brunson and Sklansky say about suited connectors. Even +0.04 EV after rake is nothing but crumbs. At $1/$2 that is ****ing 8 cents, though again, it's negative with rake. Throwing more of those borderline profit EV hands into my range probably just increases my variance since it's much closer to a coin-toss sort of expected profit.

pretty sure those stats are from when LHE was popular so they are dirty. They also show the hands overall result from that position. There are guys (lots) calling a raise with 30 or so bets behind etc. You are overlimping in a MW pot with it, HUGE difference. Like astronomical difference.

I play 300-1000 in LA...folding 98s in this dynamic in that game is absurd. Lots of guys who have made lots of money playing this game are telling you something, I wouldnt ignore it.

anyway derail over.

Like I said, I leave plenty of room for me wrong, but my poker foundation is from online... specifically American-facing online in post-BF (Carbon/Merge is my foundation). People don't play anywhere near as atrociously as they do in LA casinos and the ONLY time you're going to get a lot of action from hitting a flush with 98s is when facing another flush.

But I do know there's plenty of people who will pay off a flush in live LA casinos with something as bad as middle pair or top pair... or a plethora of < flush hands. Guess I just need to make some adjustments to my live vs online play. I'm a live a nit? lol

3 bet you are wrong, for both online/live and pre/post bf, folding 98s on the button to limps is atrocious.

Also just saw a post where you offered to coach(presumably for money ) a guy struggling at nl25, when you yourself just moved to nl50 for the first time. Don't do that.

3bet,

You can't just look at the vacuum EV of 98s and decide that positive means it's playable and negative means it's not playable. Adding or subtracting it to/from your range has an effect on the profitability of the rest of the hands in your range.