ytf,

Gaddy summed it up very well: "You just need less of everything -- less words, less sex talk, less condescending pet names."

From my own experiences - I've had long, drawn-out conversations with people through messages on a few occasions, and it wound up having little correlation with how well I got along with them in person. I hit it off great with one of them, and then a couple first dates just fizzled and we didn't have whatever chemistry it seemed like might be there in messages. So, for that reason (along with the fact that it's simply more efficient to spend your time getting and going on dates instead of being penpals), it seems better to just keep it short, exchange a couple messages, and then ask someone out.

What was working for him was working for him, relative to the woman he was speaking to. He may not be that wordy with everyone, so I think it's hard to be critical of him in that aspect, especially seeing as the demographic for him is different than the demographic for others. Obviously it would be absurd to have a convo like that with a 22 yr old, but I doubt this was the case. Plus a lot of women actually like to talk and appreciate it when a guy is capable of the same. Again though, when she weirded out, disaster.

Reading YTF's dialogue in the voice of Hulk Hogan also helps.

yea this

She made it clear that she wasn't interested in guys looking for a quick hookup so I think YTF's novella-like messages made it seem like he was putting in genuine effort and not just looking for a quick lay, but somewhere in the message thread he transitioned into 100% sex talk instead of telling about himself or trying to find out more about her, so I think she put him back in the "only cares about sex, avoid" category.

You were 90% to get laid on date 1 and 98% on date 2 if you had just played it cool and had a "that's cool, no biggie" type response when she said "even though we've been talking a lot of sex, I don't do it on the 1st date" instead of whatever you did.

Don't worry ytf, wvu thinks that conversation wasn't that bad

jesus that's one of the creepiest most desperate things i've ever read, really wish i could take back those couple minutes

Seriously seek professional help immediately.

ytf-

do less. i actually had to stop reading multiple times to clear the second hand embarrassment out of my head. you are not mentally stable if you think that any of that is alright. the last message is probably the creepiest most pathetic thing I have ever read on the internet. It seriously puts some of the stuff on to catch a predator to shame. to think that all that was to message a self admitted fatty who messaged you first, jfc. i seriously hope you work with all males.

also, i hope your kids don't know you post on 2p2.

He got a couple of horny middle aged tugs out of it though.

Diablo,

I think you're wrong on this. He hit the spot. The chick liked him and responded positively to his messages. She initiated the sexting. To me that's success, even if it ended in a horny toad gross out.

I'm even wondering if it wasn't the sex stuff but the fat mention at the end (he said something about not buying clothes because he was losing weight and wouldn't fit them) that did it for her.

This is the impression I had also

Haha.

Well, the ones I have aren't nearly that in depth. Nor do I try to be "cute"

But he showed confidence, imo. And that goes so far with females. Probably why she kept writing him back so much, until the final blow

Would bet this is 100% right.

Any girl who, before they even meet, are talking about their sex toys, well...She was into you. Women don't share stuff like that to people they might not want. She wanted you and all you needed to do was entertainer her one night. (hell if the night went well you prob would have been in)

Keep up the kinky talk.

Next date, she probably wants its more than you do.

What drugs do you do?

She thinks of herself as a women. Calling her kid, sport, et al. Doesn't make her want to use her toys.

as always, lolredsox

This line was prob your downfall.

She is interested on some guy online who she is never met. You tell her this?? You probably scared her for whats to come in the future if you are together. She probably has pegged you as the jealous and always checking up guy.

I don't know you, but (and **** amichele15 because she doesn't represent my relationship advice) if you haven't met her yet, this is an odd thing to send and will prob set off flags. She is probably thinking "this guy is nuts' cuz he is taking all this **** personal on POF or wahtever site your on

Just had to

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bv8MGYnP820

I honestly don't see how the truth makes you look like a creep. In fact, it seems like the only solution.

So if you read it in Hulk Hogan's voice, do you change all the Sweeties, Angels, and Kids to "Brudders"?

Just because the weight is lost, doesn't mean the confidence has returned. If you've noticed she's flirting with you at first with the sex talk, don't keep talking about it, go on that first date. Sheesh.

yea this. Don't insinuate anything sexual. See if you can redeem yourself and get that fist date. That goes well, make her laugh a few times, you should be good.

She was obv into you until you..well

there's just really no need for any of those with someone you've never met...it feels very forced.

Can I buy an r, please?