**** this got long. Cliffs at bottom

2nd date with Katie:

I pick her up from her parents’ house around noon. I was hoping her house was empty but she yells “Bye Mom” on the way out the door. ****.

I question my decision to see this girl again. I’m not really attracted to her, especially her face. I withheld jacking off for over 24 hours (an eternity for me). Still, I wonder if I’m going to be able to get it up. Usually I get boners like crazy during escalation but it barely moved on our last date.

We head to a Mexican place that is highly regarded on Yelp. We get lost on the way and I start to worry about momentum. They had patio seating available. We order top shelf margaritas and food(beef chimichanga and tortilla soup are good) I definitely picked a more expensive option than I could have. I can hear the 2+2 peanut gallery giving me ****. **** it- I want to eat somewhere good anyway if I’m driving an hour both ways. She makes no motion of any kind toward the check (she helped with the tolls so I thought I might run good and get an offer to split)

I’m running into some obstacles. They sit us at a two person table across from each other so no escalation is possible. She keeps getting texts. She is some sort of on call theater stage manager with a show tomorrow and has some sort of setup work this evening. My plan for inviting her back was to suggest we watch Tivo’ed Olympic hockey, but it’s on at the restaurant and she says she plans to watch it with her brother. I decide I’ll just start making out a little in the restaurant parking lot and go from there. She walks toward the wrong car on the way out(she’s visually impaired) and the lady who’s car it was starts giving her the stink eye and kills the moment.

I didn’t make a 2 hour round trip to just drop this chick off. I start heading toward my place suggesting we play video games. She says she can’t see them well enough.

“Board games?”

“I can do board games.”

Traffic is pissing me off but I start rubbing her leg and it cheers me up a little. Little man moves a little too so maybe I will be ok.

We get to my place. Little brother’s home but he’s usually consumed with computer games or Reddit so we don’t see him. My dog starts sniffing and licking this girl and won’t get out of my room. Now she’s sitting on the floor playing with her dog. I think back to my failures with bedwetting girl and Sly telling me to just stand up and kiss her so I just grab her hand help her up and start making out.

I move swiftly to grabbing her boobs and move to get her dress off. Can’t figure it out. She says I need to take something off too so we’re both topless. She’s carrying some extra around the midsection and she’s pretty broad shouldered. I get her bra off shortly thereafter (can’t actually figure that one out either, lol). The tits themselves look fairly nice, but I’m not crazy about the way they hang.

I nudge her toward the bed. I start sucking the tits, get the panties off and go south for a bit. She actually has a pretty nice completely shaven pussy. It was by far my favorite part of hers.

I’m starting to get into it now that we’re getting hot and heavy. I take my pants off planning to put my dick near her face so she will return the favor but she immediately demands “condom” when I get back on top. I may never get this hard again anytime soon- let’s do this.

I can’t get it in. She said she wasn’t wet enough yet. Back to making out/eating pussy/fingering I go. Had a hell of a time finding her clit; I still don’t know if I could pick it out of a lineup. I make it happen somehow by listening to her. She’s ready to go…

…but I’ve gone soft. She gives a great blowjob( first condom BJ I’ve felt was worthwhile) It got even better when I took the condom off. We fooled around more and I moved her into diff positions. She was cool with me straddling her chest and giving her a light face ****ing. Felt good. Would have been really hot if I liked her face. We got into me lying on my back fingering her while she blew me and I came reasonably close to finishing (maybe because I wasn’t really looking at her. I stopped to give her the D because she hadn’t finished yet and I wasn’t 100% sure I could get her.

Still couldn’t maintain the ****er. Now I feel guilty about the limp dick and just try to finish her off. She’s got a slip n slide between her legs by this point. Definitely seems possible. She says she likes a lot of pressure. I really put my tongue to work. I can hear wutang’s “nice clean penises” rant in my head. I have to switch back and forth with fingering a little. About a minute before my tongue is due to fall off she pops up and moans pretty loud.

Now it’s time to get me. Unfortunately I’m too far up in my head at this point. I realize we’ve been at it a while and she’s late for w/e the **** it is. Adam Carolla’s rule of “Every syllable in ‘hurry up’ adds 15 minutes to the finishing time’ definitely applies to me. A couple minutes into the BJ and I know it’s unlikely to happen. We check the time and she’s late as **** so we just get back in the car and head back to hers.

Her feedback was: she really did finish, she felt very submissive when usually she’s more dominant, I need to stop thinking so much for the next girl. She seemed to think I had more sex/women than I’ve had. Maybe I just need to move up to hotter girls and I’ll be alright.

Cliffs

2nd date with girl I’m not too into physically but seemed to want the D

We have margaritas and eat Mexican(pricey but good)

Lot of BS comes up with texts from her work among other things.

She’s cool with riding the 45 minutes back to my place to “play board games”

Make out and get naked pretty quickly.

Go down on her/finger her (and eventually finish her off)

Can’t get the D in initially

Get good BJs but can’t stay hard long enough to give her the D

Again, I wind up with blue balls

lol bobbo, quit stressing so much, sex is supposed to be fun. Hotter girls won't help you get over that. Just go hook up with more girls in general.

Nice TR, sounds like you're assertive and know what you're doing

lol'ed at the wutang mention

Bobbo, we're just both a couple chronic masturbators who envy that women get to fellate our nice clean penises.

I gave up jerking off after a Don Jon like day, planning on going without for a couple weeks at least. Didn't make it two days

I'm thinking about giving up porn and only letting myself think about women I've met but haven't banged yet or jerked off to yet. It would be a good motivator get out more and to go chat up the random hotties I see throughout the day. So tough to delete the whole collection though

I know I'm jerking it too much when the daily 5 free mobile pornhub videos for my iPhone isn't enough... It's just so accessible nowadays.

Bobbo. I am going to give you some candid advice and past experiences , hope it helps , and if not , whatever. Confidence is key , confidence is almost key in everything. I personally am usually confident to the point of arrogance , . I have gotten my share of women , and a good part of it was confidence , but I have also blown through millions , so my confidence was aided by a seven figure roll and my dick was 100 percent operational. I lost 99% of my roll because well , as talented as I am , I have expensive vices. The gist of it , and I have no clue why I wrote so much , confidence is key , unless you have a medical problem ( which is my case ) , you not performing as well as you want can be you lack confidence. Next time say **** it and just go for it. Don't plan for things to be so perfect for you to make moves. Don't be so introspective.

As for you being picky about women , I could understand , as I'm sure I am even pickier than you and won't screw half the women 95% of males would. You might get to be my age and think it might have been a mistake to be so choosy. If you can help yourself. Don't be.

Nice TR, but deffo give up atleast porn if not jerking off completely

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How old are you Bobb?

Bobbo,

Golf clap. And this...

... means you're a smooth operator and decent in the sack. Congrats!

Strangely enough, I agree with this. The last porn I've watch was deep throat videos with SG cuz she wanted to see how it worked. And I can't even remember the last time I've punched the clown; odd too bc I used to love to love myself.

Don't worry about the bonah though... girl's face was busted / you weren't into it... it happens and for a reason, it means you don't have sexual chemistry, so she ain't the one for you.

25. I'm a late bloomer. I was clueless in high school and weighed 250+ from 18.5-22.5

Late bloomer crew checking in as well didn't actually become attractive until 21-22

Also it definitely feels good when a girl says she thinks you've been with a lot more girls than you have.

being a late bloomer isnt a bad thing:

I'm curious as to how this even comes up? Whenever a girl starts hinting about wanting to discuss # of partners I just shut it down as nothing good can come from it and at best it's neutral in my opinion. Maybe it's just me though.

Not to mention the fact neither person is usually honest with the # anyway.

She straight up told me, when she first met me that she thought I had been with a lot of girls and thought I probably had a lot of girls trying to be with me.

When in reality I've been with very few women and am an introvert and can't drink like a frat star.

Still felt good tho

Also it feels good because I like to think when Im out in public girls are thinking stuff like "damn he's probably f***** a lot of women" etc...

In that context I can definitely see it as a ego boost. I was thinking more about specifically discussing the # if partners.

Also, simply walk around confident (not cocky) and girls will automatically think girls are chassing after you/you have been with many.

It's pretty crazy how much having a bit of confidence can change your life. Find out whatever it is that makes you feel confident and do everything you can do achieve those things. Having no confidence has to be one of the nut lows in life.

Yeah she asked me if I wanted to know her # and I told her nah I don't need to. I know it's more than myself(I didn't say this of course)

Yeah I used to be pretty depressed and still kind of am but Im getting more confidence lately because of looks, school and having a sales oriented job. I sometimes struggle with confidence and cockiness though.

This is true. Doing things that will give you confidence is just so +EV. Being determined/ambitious at school or work, working out, martial arts, learning to cook, or whatever it may be for you. These things have utility beyond their direct benefits. IMO, the more you pursue your goals and stay busy, the more confidence you should build as you make yourself a more desirable partner.

****ing try being honest for once, ffs. What kind of relationship are you attempting to forge based on half-truths or dishonesty? The only reason my exwife and I made it 15 years, and why we're still relatively close today, was: 1) I was completely open and honest about everything, from the beginning 2) I took the stereotypical female role and demanded that we talk **** out / always share what's on our mind.

My time here is a textbook example of the power of confidence, documented forever so future lifeforms can see it's intoxicating affects, and how repulsive it is when a guy lacks it. For a male in our society, no confidence is def one of life's nut lows. Here's a creepy but effective way to build it, gentleman. When walking around town or to and from work, don't be the one to break eye contact with passersby. Let them do it. Then flex to assert dominance ldo

ATF,

I completely agree with you about complete openess and honesty being the pillars in a sucessfull relationship, but there are some things such as # of partners that have no benefits to being discussed in my opinion. There is no dishonesty involved and complete openess as to why I don't think it matters.

I guess your definition of openess is to put absolutely everything on the table, which is cool, but for me I don't see a reason why I would tell future partners about that one time I ate my own jizz etc... Unless of course eating your own jizz is something you plan on doing again??

No, always confirm the date on the day of. This is how I do it: I'll send a text "Hey how's your day going" or something similar, get a little banter going then I'll say "see you at 8. Wear something sexy/cute so we match " or "see you at 8. I'll be the guy in the pink spandex suit"

When they say that. You basically can have them if you want. It means they think you have game/magnetism and she herself would fall for it.

close female friends have told me repeatedly that guys always care more about "the #" than girls do, and that it really doesnt matter. if a girl likes you and is sleeping with you and enjoying herself, it doesnt really matter.

i also agree theres 0 reason to ever bring it up, but also no reason to not talk about it if it somehow does come up in conversation. but thats also how i feel about most topics. not gonna bring up random crap but also not lie/be dodgey about things that do come up

I will tell you this. When you are in company of hot women , getting other women is exponentially easier. I'm sure we all know this , but I have seen this play out dozens and dozens of times.