There was a Mythbusters episode about this, where they tried to find out if throwing something into the water before you hit, breaking the surface tension, could lessen the impact of your fall. I think their conclusion was, ever so slightly, but nowhere near enough to save your life.

u trolling or really this ******ed?

the latter

we like this

malaysia asks fbi for help on recovering deleted data from simulator
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/20/wo...ia-flight.html

What is the simplest answer in this case?

Yes. That's what I think exactly. But I think they made one refuel stop. Pulled electronics. Than on to a big airport like Pakistan. Paint-ARM-Switch transponders with normal commercial flight and deploy. Too simple. Wait for Aces.

If this was a terrorism plot, how many people realistically do we think would be required for the planning, execution, etc. I'd like to say at least 10.

It surprises me that we have absolute zero intel on it...unless we do but are hush hush about it to not blow our cover.

I don't think he was very srs.

Hahahaha. This is gold.

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Holy **** yes! I'm not a pilot, merely a rational thinker and all of what the pilot quoted says seems obvious to me.

You don't have to be a pilot to realize that one of the highest priorities during an emergency is to report the emergency to ATC. DUH.

GG Business Insider -- they seem to be writing much more rational articles than other media.

Unbelievable.

It's not! First priority is FLY THE AIRPLANE, second one is NAVIGATE (you don't want to travel somewhere you can't land for example) third is COMMUNICATE. So if time permits and you have done everything to create a safe environment while fighting for your life (or not in a less serious event) you maybe have time to contact ATC. It's not like they have supermans waiting there to help you out. In a very serious emergency it could very well be there is absolutely no time to contact ATC.

EDIT: DELETED part, irrelevant probably

Gigi,

If there were some problem with the plane, wouldn't it be a pretty big coincidence that it seemingly occurred during an ATC handoff?

Based on what W0X0F posted earlier, I'm under the impression that ATC handoffs are usually (though not always) done within seconds. Is that right?

If so, then the fact that the co-pilot did check in with the old ATC person but NOT with the new ATC person seems to make a malfunction a long shot to me, as the pilot would have had to notice it in a very short period of time -- after "all right, good night" but before checking in with the new ATC person.

Am I way off with that?

Then again, all of the other theories being tossed about would require some large leaps as well so maybe something like that isn't too much of a coincidence.

I bet the FBI could have recovered it if they went straight to the FBI but I'm convinced they ****ed that up trying to recover it.

Anyone here have experience with flight simulators? Is deleting logs a hassle? Pretty easy and necessary since the logs get big? Maybe even automatic if you don't change the standard settings?

there isn't much that can go while recovering data, you sure as hell aint working on the original but make a copy.

ATC handoffs occur fast, but abnormal situations do as well. In the biggest accidents it was usually not only one thing that went wrong. Check up on the Tenerife crash in 1977.
So I understand your way of thinking, but in no way will I myself value that piece of info enough to assume a malfunction at that point was unlikely.

I am in no way saying this is what happened or that I believe the following theory at all but imagine this;

'Alright good night', pilot reaches over to change the frequency to the new assigned frequency. Pilot accidentally bumps over his coffee on the pedestal. What a mess and not entirely safe to have that stuff all over the equipment. Let's clean that up real quick...

Again I stress that I am not saying I think this happened or something, but it's just one of many reasons a frequency change can take a bit of time. In most cases (if not all) it's just something a lot smaller than bumping over coffee. Sometimes the frequency is just busy and you wait for a bit, or finish something else you have/had to do.

Equipment fails all the time, pilots/humans do too, usually this doesn't end up catastrophic in any way. When it happens at the same time chances increase for something to go wrong.

I have a head a Boeing badge many times for temporary construction. Every hanger is a different secure area. You could hide it right here in Seattle for years.

% chance plane is ever found at this point?

Over or Under 2%?

Easily over 90%.

Over

I'd snap take 50-1.

Over, gets more interesting when you add time constraints tho.

An array of thoughts:

1) Flight sim data will be recovered, will turn up fruitless [in before mangosteen pun]

2)
a) Various governments have important radar data they aren't sharing. This data will probably not be shared. One government may even have exact data as to where the plane very likely is. They don't want to out this information for fear of showing their technological capabilities. They are likely trying to find another seemingly valid reason to pinpoint the search to that location.

b) Alternatively, some countries likely have specific data, or lack of data I should say, that shows the plane is not there. They don't want to share this information for fear of showing their lack of technological capabilities.

3) A series of failures coincidentally occurred on or around the same time. The plane crashed.

4) If the plane was hijacked and landed somewhere, the motive was not to steal a plane for the resale value of its parts.

5) The complete lack of intelligence on any sort of terrorist group behind this points to either, a lack of terrorist group, or intelligence agencies not wanting to reveal the information to protect sources or to thwart a bigger plan. Leaning towards the latter. I believe a significant amount of people, planning and coordination would have had to be done for such an attack/theft that information would leak and someone would have it.

I think most of the advanced ways of recovering data involve working on the original since its actually the physical device itself that retains the imprint of deleted data.