There are plenty of people who still smoke cigs despite having no throat, mouth, lips, etc. This type of stuff has actually be measured before, and nicotine has the strongest physical addiction.

If there's ever a case for making an NSFW warning for mainly a text article, this is it. Just chilling to the bone.

The thing that put me off smoking personally was when I met a man with a voice box, as a result of smoking, who asked me for a cigarette. That was enough for me.

I've known people who've smoked until they've lost limbs and kept on smoking afterwards. It's ridiculous how far people will let these things go, I quit cold turkey and never experienced withdrawal, stopped counting the days after 2 weeks but yet some people will just never let the drug go.

The whole industry behind smoking is ridiculous.

We don't know nearly enough about the brain/genetics to make a claim like that. I'm pretty inclined to believe that some woman who is shooting a drug until her ulna is exposed for the world to see is not doing so because she is having a great time.

I'm not sure what you mean here. The disease model is a specific hypothesis not backed by scientific data. I'd gladly admit we don't know how to describe addiction perfectly, but that doesn't mean we can't disqualify ones that obviously don't work.

I don't want to come across as ignorant or anything here, but you're joking, right?

I've been smoking cigs for years for fun when I'm at a party or drinking with mates or stuff like that and I've never gotten addicted, while tons of my friends are doing the same. I sometimes quit for like a month and sometimes smoke each day of the week. I seriously doubt if we'd be shooting up heroin instead as many of us (some have become daily smokers, but it's the minority) would still be standing as non-addicts.

Also, the withdrawal symptons of heroin withdrawal make it way harder to get off it. Does tobacco really have heavy withdrawal symptons other than the mental strength needed to succesfully kick it?
Kinda related, I recently got a very serious sunburn combined with an allergic reaction. The burned skin (back, chest, shoulders, arms) was ****ing hot and felt burned, making touching it pretty painful. At the same time for some ****ing reason it itched like crazy. Not the tiny type of irritating itch, the type of itch that made sitting still almost impossible and made me pull my hair and punch walls with my fists or head just so the feeling of pain would draw the attention away from the itch. Nothing would make it go away and it seriously felt like being in hell. Was even thinking "luckily I don't have a gun or I'd be going mad about the doctors not helping me immediatly" . That went on for about 7 hours before I got something that relieved the feeling, which was the best feeling ever, I fell asleep almost instantly. Afterwards I wondered wether the experience would be somewhat comparabale to kicking a heroin addiction or one of another hard drug. The thought that it might be and that that type of feeling would last a week or longer made me more reluctant to ever try it .

In my 6 years of 2p2 usage, i have never put anyone in my ignore list. there hasn't been one poster that has consistently put me on rage. you sir, have left me no choice. i can't believe people with as big of egos as you exist.

Sorry, it was grunch post after looking up the drug.

Links, spoilers, same thing. It's one click away. Same difference, one's already loaded, the other takes you to a fresh page.

According to the lancet, nicotine has the strongest physical addiction component.

The worst set of withdrawal symptoms is from alcohol addiction. In fact, it's the only set that can actually kill you.

Don't have time to find specific cites, but it's def true. I'll come back later if anyone cares.

Join Date: April 2011

So you've had previous accounts banned?

I thought re-registering to evade bans was against the rules here?

Have reported the post to bring it to the attention of the mods regardless, best to find out what the deal is now rather than drag it out.

As it turns out, most of the yellow ones are the most fun of the lot

I'm inclined to think that if a cigarette smoker SAW his own flesh rotting off, they might quit. The problem with cigarettes is that the damage is internal (it messes up your lungs or throat - usually). If I had to make a bet on who's more likely to quit, a krok user or a cig smoker, I'd lay a bundle of the cig smoker (just going by what I read and the pics I saw of the Krok users fwiw).

You sound like a cool guy.

On pretty much any objective measure of addictive potential, heroin>>>nicotine. e.g. capacity to release dopamine, ease with you which you can get an animal to self-administer. The only drugs worse are the crack/cocaine/methamphetamine family.

In terms of quitting nicotine and alcohol sometimes have higher relapse rates than heroin, but that's more an availability issue than the drug itself.

Sadly no. You can get gangrene and amputation as a result of smoking and it doesn't necessarily make the smoker quit. Look up Buerger's disease for some pictures that look sadly like the Krokodil addicts. Buerger's disease is almost exclusively found heavy smokers.

Thanks, always good to gain a fan

wow Sam it cant be overstated how ******ed you are. I cant believe its taken me this long to click ignore, but this thread was really just over the top

this seems like such a stupid thing

Yea but how long does a person have to smoke for that to happen? Certainly not within the first year or so of smoking. Krok users experience the rotting flesh within a couple of years. But yea, I didn't take gangrene or diabetes into consideration when I thought about tobacco users.

I smoke. That's some scary ****.

must suck to be so miserable

I actually just saw that its the use of unclean needles and not actually the drug that causes people to get gangrene. Source was bestgore.

Also keep in mind we are now having an on going argument about this.

There's a certain screen-name trade I have in mind...

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