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06-23-2011 , 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by uscpf
I'd consider something with withdrawal so bad you'd rather watch your skin rot off and look at your bones while continuing to make it worse pretty damn addictive. Maybe not the clinical definition or something, but a drug that you want to do until you die, which will be soon and in a horrible way as a direct cause, sounds about as addicting as it gets.
There are plenty of people who still smoke cigs despite having no throat, mouth, lips, etc. This type of stuff has actually be measured before, and nicotine has the strongest physical addiction.
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06-23-2011 , 06:39 PM
If there's ever a case for making an NSFW warning for mainly a text article, this is it. Just chilling to the bone.
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06-23-2011 , 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
There are plenty of people who still smoke cigs despite having no throat, mouth, lips, etc. This type of stuff has actually be measured before, and nicotine has the strongest physical addiction.
The thing that put me off smoking personally was when I met a man with a voice box, as a result of smoking, who asked me for a cigarette. That was enough for me.

I've known people who've smoked until they've lost limbs and kept on smoking afterwards. It's ridiculous how far people will let these things go, I quit cold turkey and never experienced withdrawal, stopped counting the days after 2 weeks but yet some people will just never let the drug go.

The whole industry behind smoking is ridiculous.
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06-23-2011 , 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
The disease model of addiction is pretty much crap scientifically fwiw.
We don't know nearly enough about the brain/genetics to make a claim like that. I'm pretty inclined to believe that some woman who is shooting a drug until her ulna is exposed for the world to see is not doing so because she is having a great time.
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06-23-2011 , 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by spyderracing
We don't know nearly enough about the brain/genetics to make a claim like that. I'm pretty inclined to believe that some woman who is shooting a drug until her ulna is exposed for the world to see is not doing so because she is having a great time.
I'm not sure what you mean here. The disease model is a specific hypothesis not backed by scientific data. I'd gladly admit we don't know how to describe addiction perfectly, but that doesn't mean we can't disqualify ones that obviously don't work.
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06-23-2011 , 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
No nicotine is def more addictive... this stuff is more dangerous.

How addictive something is obviously does not necessarily equal the harm done.
I don't want to come across as ignorant or anything here, but you're joking, right?

I've been smoking cigs for years for fun when I'm at a party or drinking with mates or stuff like that and I've never gotten addicted, while tons of my friends are doing the same. I sometimes quit for like a month and sometimes smoke each day of the week. I seriously doubt if we'd be shooting up heroin instead as many of us (some have become daily smokers, but it's the minority) would still be standing as non-addicts.

Also, the withdrawal symptons of heroin withdrawal make it way harder to get off it. Does tobacco really have heavy withdrawal symptons other than the mental strength needed to succesfully kick it?
Kinda related, I recently got a very serious sunburn combined with an allergic reaction. The burned skin (back, chest, shoulders, arms) was ****ing hot and felt burned, making touching it pretty painful. At the same time for some ****ing reason it itched like crazy. Not the tiny type of irritating itch, the type of itch that made sitting still almost impossible and made me pull my hair and punch walls with my fists or head just so the feeling of pain would draw the attention away from the itch. Nothing would make it go away and it seriously felt like being in hell. Was even thinking "luckily I don't have a gun or I'd be going mad about the doctors not helping me immediatly" . That went on for about 7 hours before I got something that relieved the feeling, which was the best feeling ever, I fell asleep almost instantly. Afterwards I wondered wether the experience would be somewhat comparabale to kicking a heroin addiction or one of another hard drug. The thought that it might be and that that type of feeling would last a week or longer made me more reluctant to ever try it .
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06-23-2011 , 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by SamQuint
It's a terrible situation because realistically most of them can, with a bit of self-power, get themselves off it and hopefully intact. A lot are just going to destroy themselves (both mentally and physically) over the drug so regardless, a lot of effort will be wasted.

I'm not saying that this krokodile crap is going to be easy to come off, but I think those with the will power to actually put it behind them will make themselves go through the **** for a few weeks to get better, while those who can't let go of the drug will never be able to do so.
In my 6 years of 2p2 usage, i have never put anyone in my ignore list. there hasn't been one poster that has consistently put me on rage. you sir, have left me no choice. i can't believe people with as big of egos as you exist.
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06-23-2011 , 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by dukemagic
Why on earth would you post the pictures that are already easily available in an earlier link? Numerous posters have already said they wish they hadn't seen them and have warned against voluntarily looking for/at them. People are going to have a hard time not clicking those spoilers, just human nature. Just post the link again if you like, I'd recommend not posting the pictures, even with spoilers.
Sorry, it was grunch post after looking up the drug.

Links, spoilers, same thing. It's one click away. Same difference, one's already loaded, the other takes you to a fresh page.
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06-23-2011 , 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by bbfg
I don't want to come across as ignorant or anything here, but you're joking, right?

I've been smoking cigs for years for fun when I'm at a party or drinking with mates or stuff like that and I've never gotten addicted, while tons of my friends are doing the same. I sometimes quit for like a month and sometimes smoke each day of the week. I seriously doubt if we'd be shooting up heroin instead as many of us (some have become daily smokers, but it's the minority) would still be standing as non-addicts.

Also, the withdrawal symptons of heroin withdrawal make it way harder to get off it. Does tobacco really have heavy withdrawal symptons other than the mental strength needed to succesfully kick it?
Kinda related, I recently got a very serious sunburn combined with an allergic reaction. The burned skin (back, chest, shoulders, arms) was ****ing hot and felt burned, making touching it pretty painful. At the same time for some ****ing reason it itched like crazy. Not the tiny type of irritating itch, the type of itch that made sitting still almost impossible and made me pull my hair and punch walls with my fists or head just so the feeling of pain would draw the attention away from the itch. Nothing would make it go away and it seriously felt like being in hell. Was even thinking "luckily I don't have a gun or I'd be going mad about the doctors not helping me immediatly" . That went on for about 7 hours before I got something that relieved the feeling, which was the best feeling ever, I fell asleep almost instantly. Afterwards I wondered wether the experience would be somewhat comparabale to kicking a heroin addiction or one of another hard drug. The thought that it might be and that that type of feeling would last a week or longer made me more reluctant to ever try it .
According to the lancet, nicotine has the strongest physical addiction component.

The worst set of withdrawal symptoms is from alcohol addiction. In fact, it's the only set that can actually kill you.

Don't have time to find specific cites, but it's def true. I'll come back later if anyone cares.
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06-23-2011 , 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by thisisintense
In my 6 years of 2p2 usage, i have never put anyone in my ignore list. there hasn't been one poster that has consistently put me on rage. you sir, have left me no choice. i can't believe people with as big of egos as you exist.
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06-23-2011 , 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by thisisintense
In my 6 years of 2p2 usage, i have never put anyone in my ignore list. there hasn't been one poster that has consistently put me on rage. you sir, have left me no choice. i can't believe people with as big of egos as you exist.
So you've had previous accounts banned?

I thought re-registering to evade bans was against the rules here?

Have reported the post to bring it to the attention of the mods regardless, best to find out what the deal is now rather than drag it out.
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06-23-2011 , 07:09 PM

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06-23-2011 , 07:14 PM
As it turns out, most of the yellow ones are the most fun of the lot
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06-23-2011 , 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
There are plenty of people who still smoke cigs despite having no throat, mouth, lips, etc. This type of stuff has actually be measured before, and nicotine has the strongest physical addiction.

I'm inclined to think that if a cigarette smoker SAW his own flesh rotting off, they might quit. The problem with cigarettes is that the damage is internal (it messes up your lungs or throat - usually). If I had to make a bet on who's more likely to quit, a krok user or a cig smoker, I'd lay a bundle of the cig smoker (just going by what I read and the pics I saw of the Krok users fwiw).
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06-23-2011 , 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by SamQuint
So you've had previous accounts banned?

I thought re-registering to evade bans was against the rules here?

Have reported the post to bring it to the attention of the mods regardless, best to find out what the deal is now rather than drag it out.
You sound like a cool guy.
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06-23-2011 , 07:19 PM
On pretty much any objective measure of addictive potential, heroin>>>nicotine. e.g. capacity to release dopamine, ease with you which you can get an animal to self-administer. The only drugs worse are the crack/cocaine/methamphetamine family.

In terms of quitting nicotine and alcohol sometimes have higher relapse rates than heroin, but that's more an availability issue than the drug itself.
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06-23-2011 , 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by stu+stu
I'm inclined to think that if a cigarette smoker SAW his own flesh rotting off, they might quit. The problem with cigarettes is that the damage is internal (it messes up your lungs or throat - usually). If I had to make a bet on who's more likely to quit, a krok user or a cig smoker, I'd lay a bundle of the cig smoker (just going by what I read and the pics I saw of the Krok users fwiw).
Sadly no. You can get gangrene and amputation as a result of smoking and it doesn't necessarily make the smoker quit. Look up Buerger's disease for some pictures that look sadly like the Krokodil addicts. Buerger's disease is almost exclusively found heavy smokers.
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06-23-2011 , 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by WinEvryRacex
You sound like a cool guy.
Thanks, always good to gain a fan
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06-23-2011 , 07:38 PM
wow Sam it cant be overstated how ******ed you are. I cant believe its taken me this long to click ignore, but this thread was really just over the top
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06-23-2011 , 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by CallMeIshmael
this seems like such a stupid thing
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06-23-2011 , 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by pokerjo22
Sadly no. You can get gangrene and amputation as a result of smoking and it doesn't necessarily make the smoker quit. Look up Buerger's disease for some pictures that look sadly like the Krokodil addicts. Buerger's disease is almost exclusively found heavy smokers.

Yea but how long does a person have to smoke for that to happen? Certainly not within the first year or so of smoking. Krok users experience the rotting flesh within a couple of years. But yea, I didn't take gangrene or diabetes into consideration when I thought about tobacco users.

I smoke. That's some scary ****.
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06-23-2011 , 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by SamQuint
So you've had previous accounts banned?

I thought re-registering to evade bans was against the rules here?

Have reported the post to bring it to the attention of the mods regardless, best to find out what the deal is now rather than drag it out.
must suck to be so miserable
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06-23-2011 , 07:49 PM
I actually just saw that its the use of unclean needles and not actually the drug that causes people to get gangrene. Source was bestgore.

Also keep in mind we are now having an on going argument about this.

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06-23-2011 , 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by confirmedtroll
Join Date: April 2011
There's a certain screen-name trade I have in mind...
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06-23-2011 , 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Charmer
wow Sam it cant be overstated how ******ed you are. I cant believe its taken me this long to click ignore, but this thread was really just over the top
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