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01-26-2012 , 12:15 AM

#126

tuq

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I'm not sure if anyone else knows this, but Dids manages people. And they love him.

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01-26-2012 , 01:21 AM

#127

jaydub

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Originally Posted by Dids

I think what you guys are missing, and maybe I'm not explaining well is that there's a lot of realities about the statue/union system that

1- Allow for plenty of reasons for a person to want to look for other work without implying strong negatives about their current role. For instance- if anybody working for me wants more money- they'll eventually reach the top of their pay scale and there really isn't upward mobility in the organization. They have to leave, and I don't bare them any ill will for it.

2- I can't do anything but plan (and we're pretty much always planning for this anyway) until somebody actually hands me a letter of resignation.

It's the very rare circumstance where it's a good idea. But this nonsense about it being 100% bad is just wrong. Some of the adjectives that are being used to describe the suggestion to simply think about the situation and consider your options are so ****ing weird.

I think what you are missing is that the "statue/union system" in which you manage people simply does not exist in 99% of the posters' work environments.

It is 100% right to suggest that OP do as everyone but you has suggested and the only weird aspect of this thread is your blindness to how obviously you are wrong here. I and I'm sure many other posters would be happy to discuss proper ways to transition to a new opportunity but you don't even seem to be within the same universe.

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01-26-2012 , 11:20 AM

#128

punkass

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Originally Posted by tuq

I'm not sure if anyone else knows this, but Dids manages people. And they love him.

which makes him the extreme exception, and definitely far from the rule.

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01-26-2012 , 11:30 AM

#129

Tony_P

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op, what did you end up doing last time?

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01-26-2012 , 11:56 AM

#130

Dids

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I think what you are missing is that the "statue/union system" in which you manage people simply does not exist in 99% of the posters' work environments.

I'm very much not missing this. I'm well aware, and have stated that my situation is rare.

Even if we're talking about 99.99% vs 00.01%, I still think it's silly to phrase things in needlessly absolute terms.

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01-26-2012 , 12:10 PM

#131

MicroBob

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I told my employers that I felt I was ready to advance and would be looking around for opportunities that interested me, but that I was also interested in the same position within their companies if that were to become available at some point. 2 months later I was promoted.

You do have to have some sense of what works and doesn't work in your situation. Not all groups/people are the same.

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01-26-2012 , 02:23 PM

#132

RacersEdge

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Lets just say hugely -ev to tell your manager you are interviewing for another job

Surprised that people would even be asked why they were taking an off day since the chances of that happening to me would be pretty much 0%...if i had to come up with something, i would say something with No strings attached like friend/relative coming through town and want To spend some time with them.

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01-26-2012 , 04:45 PM

#133

tuq

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Originally Posted by RacersEdge

Surprised that people would even be asked why they were taking an off day since the chances of that happening to me would be pretty much 0%...if i had to come up with something, i would say something with No strings attached like friend/relative coming through town and want To spend some time with them.

People have a tendency to wildly overestimate the time others invest thinking about them. In reality, we're all far too interested in our own lives to care much about the minute details of someone else's.

If someone's absence is a rarity it will barely be noticed. It's only if the person has a history of tardiness or time out of the office that it would come under scrutiny. Spending time grinding over which excuse to choose and whether it will be believed is pointless, nobody really cares.

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01-26-2012 , 09:55 PM

#134

TakiToki

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On a bit of a tangent, but related to the whole honesty thing -- Is it standard that an employer will not contact a prospective employee's current employer? If this is the case, is there much potential downside to exaggerating current responsibilities and tenure (or hell, if one is unemployed, lie about being currently employed by some random company for the past few years)?

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01-26-2012 , 10:11 PM

#135

Tony_P

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Originally Posted by TakiToki

no one will contact your current employer if you ask them not to.

the downside to lying about your experience is that lies often catch up to you, and most people are much worse liars than then think they are.

another thing is they may ask for w2s or paystubs to prove employment and/or salary. it's not common but it does happen.

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01-26-2012 , 11:25 PM

#136

Trolly McTrollson

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Originally Posted by TakiToki

In my experience, they will usually ask if it's okay to contact your current employer. If not, I think there's no harm done by asking them not to contact your current employer.

Don't lie about your employment status. They'll find out through a background check on your SS#.

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