Fwiw I'm in the same boat as this, can see how and why things have changed though.

There is some discussion as to the nomenclature of a first online date. Some people refuse to call an initial contact a 'date'. It's a 'meet'. Takes pressure off.

You shouldn't ask any woman for advice about women, ever. They don't know what they want, partly because they want many different things and some of them conflict with each other and partly because admitting to themselves a lot of the things they actually want would make them feel superficial and empty, so better just pretend like we're all in a romantic comedy (in her head).

Let me suggest a simple question pre-date or before dining: "Is dutch ok?"

This solves this problem because what is she gong to say? No? If she says no it's either because she's the plague or a keeper- you'll know which.

Preferably, a first date with a strange woman is a walk somewhere, drinks or coffee if you are pretty sure she is attractive.

OP, the path to greatness lies in geting back in touch with crazy mom and linking her to this thread.

My issue with this is that if it's a good date, as it usually would be, then I'd like to be able to pay

There is merit in this suggestion.

But before you do that, just be up front with this woman.
Tell her you will gladly refund her entire half of the meal, as soon as she gives you a bj.
THEN link her to this thread.
Should be win win.

Sounds like the OP ordered $40 of food, ate $60-70 worth of food, and felt he was being charitable by paying half the bill. I don't think the text is super unreasonable if you ate a bunch of their food, which doesn't seem totally impossible that a male that just worked out would eat more, although the timing of the message is pretty horrible.

No way does this qualify as a "dating nightmare". I've had very explicit death threats after not calling for a few days after a third date. Why not just throw the single mom who is obviously a little unstable and apparently very hard up for money another $20? Personally, I think you should have declined letting her bring the child, and also picked the restaurant.

Need to see a pic of OP in case he's 250lbs and ate a starving 4 year old's dinner, the swine.

I must be missing some details here. We have accounted for:

$28 - sushi and sashimi
$12 - glass of wine
$xx - squid tempura (so basically fried calamari?)
$xx - beef plate
$xx - ice cream
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$120

ice cream was as most what, $5? That leaves $75 for the beef and squid, or was there more food ordered? She makes a point of being shocked that the op's entree was $28, but that makes no sense if the beef and squid average $37.50 each.

This kind of reminds me of single life after college when a mixed group of friends (guys and girls) would go out to dinner and just get one bill. Everyone would throw in for their portion, but we'd end up like $20 short on a $100 bill because inevitably a few people would order an entree that was listed for $7.99 and try to pitch in $8, ignoring tax, tip, and the $2 coke they also ordered.

This whole story is even more lol after I looked up the exchange rate and found US$1 = NZ$1.40. So the woman is complaining the US$43 she spent at a sushi place that she picked blew her eating out budget for the month? How many meals off the dollar value menu was she hoping to get for her and her kid?

Please keep up. The ice cream was free.

she's ranting and raving like a lunatic for eating at least 60 dollars worth of food and spending 60 dollars at a restaurant she picked and brought her daughter to on a date with a stranger and trying to guilt trip him after the fact.

You're forgetting the mystery dish that was served by mistake and the 12%+ (?) tax.

I read it as two ice creams. The kid's was free, the 2nd he split with the mom. Is that wrong?

Shoulda gone to Applebee's.

K.

It doesn't sound like that all.

Yeah so much this. I even started doing walks on the beach and ice cream type stuff back when it was an online dating factory. 45-60 mins and low costs, but it was also like 3-4 first dates a week. I needed to get efficient.

Tong:
That was the way I read it as well, but I'm still not even sure which of the things was his $28 entree, and when asked he just responds "read OP." And even if that's incorrect, I agree with your attitude.

Mars:
I was as confused as you about the bill! As for the ice cream, I believe you have it flipped. Kid's was an ordered and charged for dessert serving, and the second one was a small complimentary bowl.

[QUOTE=kiwi;50326190] Do you not have any competent male friends? This girl is literally sucking your dick. It's a conflict of interest dude.

That was text trolling not to be taken seriously.

The only tangible part is that she set up a date to bring her kid to, to get a free meal for mom and kid.

The texting went on way too long for anything but lols.

What happened to bitches ordering salads on dates?

OOT should naturally be your first port of call for any advice.

'..Tell her you will gladly refund her entire half of the meal, as soon as she gives you a bj...'

best advice yet itt