This corrupt prosecuter that they have in Perugia, Giuliano Mignini , must rely on mental telepathy as well, this is what he said it his argument...

"Perhaps there was a discussion, a fight over money or behavior that got out of control. Or perhaps after smoking hash, they decide to include Meredith in an extreme sexual game, and it was the moment for Knox to vindicate herself in a situation that bit-by-bit got more and more violent."

"You can just imagine her saying, 'You pretend to be such a saint, now you are going to have to have sex with us,' "

Imagine saying?! It's almost laughable if it wasn't so tragic, this ego maniac Mignini who is facing criminal charges himself for corruption is well known for things like jailing journalists, intimidating people, his Satanic theories, among other sleazy stuff. Read about his conduct in the Monster of Florence serial killings investigation, eye opening stuff.

But yea we can trust Mignini here on this case...OK.

Ok you convinced me. The whole case is about whether you trust the prosecutor or not. Not guilty.

I haven't heard

I wonder why Amanda and Sollecito or whomever committed the crime would take the phones with them, does that make any sense to anyone?

Not really. I'm pretty sure it was said that he was having stomach pains, he might have literally had to go, regardless of the circumstances(having just killed someone).

what i can't stand is he was obviously involved, he is going to spend 30 years in jail anyway, why can't he just come clean and let us all know if he did it solo or if the couple helped? why does he have to keep lying like the scumbag he is?

Oh ok the drunken Albainian guy deal knife wielding story, I was aware of that. I thought there might be be some other real evidence out that the 3 had contact with each other.

If they went the opposite direction of his apartment it could have been a ploy to lead the investigators in the wrong direction maybe.

I have no clue of proximity of anything though

This case is really perplexing to me and I don't still don't think I could convict based on what I've heard. I'm highly suspicious, but I also have plenty of doubt and think I might end up classifying my doubt as reasonable.

I hope actual transcripts of the case as well as all evidence that was presented eventually become available so we can separate the wheat from the chaff.

I think many of the sources I read or watch have a bias that is either a pro-amanda, pro-victim or merely anti-Amanda so I find it difficult to know how much weight to give each source. Plus I think a high profile case lends itself to looney birds that come out of the woods in order to interject themselves into the case & get their 15 minutes of fame. I can't help but wonder if the Algerian that claimed Amanda pulled a knife on him was one of them so I'd love to see this guys testimony and how the defense cross examined him.

It would be really helpful to see exactly what was presented, by whom and when, instead of having to rely on the multiple sources that may or may not be presenting things accurately.

I'm not making any judgments regarding his veracity, just passing along what was said

Read the story. Another witness put the three of them coming out of the house together a few days before.

I can't believe you don't think so.

Do you make a habit of going into other peoples homes and taking a dump and not flushing?

I sure as heck don't and if I was robbing someone or committing some other crime, I sure as hell don't want to leave a big stinky pile of evidence.

To me it implies he had a level of comfort at the crime scene that I would consider atypical. Why woud he feel so comfortable that he felt he could take the time to leave a dump and then not flush?

If anything, it makes his story that he was in the bathroom during the murder sound more reaonable. I could imagine being at a womans apartment and then hearing her getting attacked and forget to flush because I was distracted by this and rushed to help or because I didn't want the intruder to be alerted by the sound of a toilet flushing and let him know I was there.

Not enough discussion of the big deal that was made over the discovery of Knox's vibrator.

Yeah and since there's usually some truth in most lies, that gibes somewhat with his story of coming out of the bathroom and seeing that she was attacked.

If you read that msnbc story, they also say a witness puts Knox and Sollecito on the basketball court until just before midnight having an animated discussion. So it could have been something like them working up the courage to go through with killing her, while the knew Guerde was in there raping her.

Brought to you by the same people who brought us the reliable drunken Albianian.

The witness here is...

A homeless man, Antonio Curatolo, who said he saw Knox and Sollecito lurking near the scene of the crime on the night of November 1. In a twist, it has emerged Curatolo was a key witness in a murder trial involving a Tunisian who murdered his girlfriend in Perugia in 2001.

I guess we can trust him??

Yes, eye-witness testimony was gathered by the police and put forth by the prosecution. Shocking twist of events.

Lol it's so obvious you made up your mind on this a long time ago. What is your theory - grand conspiracy between the police, prosecution and judges?

You aren't a defense lawyer IRL or related to the Knox's by any chance are you?

Interesting link here where they talk to Douglas Preston a writer who was harrassed by Giuliano Mignini the prosecutor in the Knox case while he was doing research for his book on the "Monster of Florence" serial killings, according to Preston he has sources in Italy that say Knox will be freed on appeal after she serves a few years so the Italians can apparently "save face".


http://www.prestonchild.com/solonove...terofflorence/

Can you give us a source/link for this?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008...hkercher.italy

link fail

Thanks but I didn't see anything in this article about the Algerian being a key witness in another murder case. Got a better link?

This is a different guy, The Albianian drunk, Hekuran Kokomani accused Knox of threatening him with a knife, this homeless guy, Antonio Curatolo who was the witness in the other murder case says he saw Knox and her boyfriend lurking around the residence of the crime the night it happened.

my bad, thx

lmao, no. the evidence is fairly indicative of him raping her. i presume what happened was either:

1. he raped/killed her
2. he wanted to get out of there immediately but had to take a dump
3. knowing his evidence was all over the place anyway, and too worried about getting caught, he forgot to flush and ran out.

or.

1. he raped her (possibly had consensual sex but seems unlikely)
2. Knox and bf killed her while he was in the bathroom
3. hearing noise he exits the bathroom forgetting to flush
4. he finds her dead body and runs out.

either way, forgetting to flush isn't really that surprising in the situation. he was faced with a dead corpse in both situations and with that running through your mind, you might forget to flush too. i never said he was a prodigy.

Yeah, but i can just claim this guy is unreliable and we shouldnt believe him.

Also there are no videos of him talking to sources, so that obviously never happened.

In other news, you dont get to ignore all evidence against her making a one sentence reference to context of her lying REPEATEDLY and then calling an eye witness and unrealiable person because he is Albanian and the other eye witness is unreliable because he is homeless and was randomly a witness in another case.

My theory. If i had more details id have fleshed out certain parts better, but i wasnt in trial so like everyone else im missing a fair bit of info.

The third guy raped Meredith as the three of them planned before hand. This was to embarress, get revenge and generally just be douchey. When Knox and the boyfriend get back they realise what they have agreed to. The third guy goes to the bathroom, and with the boyfriend threatening her with a knife somehow picking up the DNA evidence Meredith says she will report the crime and they will be going to prison. Knox takes her knife and kills Meredith.

Third guy overhears the murder, walks in on them and he bolts out of there. He goes to a club to try and build an alibi and then decides to just skip the country.

Meanwhile Knox and boyfriend stay up all night trying to come to terms with what to do. Knox is a slob so has no cleaning equipment, so they wait until the early hours for a store to open and goes and buys cleaning supplies. They were going to clean up the crime scene. After several hours trying to work out how to deal with the body and evidence, the decide that it would be best to just play dumb.

This leads to a weird series of events in speaking to the other housemate and the whole series of lies.

If they werent so dumb they would have gotten away with the murder. Luckily they were dumb and justice was done.