i would obviously trust him before i would trust you. your credibility is very low.

That Ryan Ferguson case is messed up. Too messed up to sarcastically mention that kind of thing would never happen in the USA.

How has the governor not given a pardon to him i have no idea. Its clear he is innocent to anyone who reads the details of what happened in that case.

Didn't they make a 48 hours special or a Dateline special about the Ryan Ferguson case?

Yes sir:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/...n1322783.shtml

The thing about it is, I go all out trying to find all sides of the story.

After watching 48 Hours Mystery "Dream Killer", I looked at any and every little thing I could find involving the case, and even downloaded and read the entire trial, and honest to god, they held back on that episode. Even though that episode is all that most people know about the case and still think he is innocent, I didn't think they did all that great of a job showing everything that they could of. There was plenty of stuff left out that is even more in his favor.


There used to be a Columbia Tribune forum (the paper that the victim worked for if I'm not mistaken) that had a 248 page thread on the case. There was only a few people on there that thought he was guilty and they never had any kind of basis to go on. I think they were just trolling Ryan's dad who posted on it non stop, which is sad in and of itself.

Just watched the Dream Killer case for the first time -- so sick. Out of curiosity, what kind of stuff did 48 hours leave out?

thanks, just read the whole thing. Never heard about this case before; definitely interesting stuff, but its hard for me to view CBS 48hrs as a legit medium after the way they totally took a one-sided approach to the Knox case. Any other links/fact sheets that have no agenda and are totally objective?

I posted this earlier and I think they do a good job. If you look on their website they have it outlined on how Rubin Carter was most likely guilty and how "The Hurricane" grossly misrepresented his life

http://www.crimemagazine.com/07/ryan...son,0722-7.htm

its been forever since Ive watched it. Lemme rewatch and Ill try to remember some things

Per: http://truejustice.org/ee/index.php

Apparently all jurors voted for guilt:

Can't wait to read this (I assume an english translation will be available):

Wish we had a copy of this:

Can anyone find a link to that Guede post-trial report?

wow, just read that whole thing. thanks for the link. just makes no sense why chuck would admit to the whole thing. Sucks that ryan's defense team appeared to be so inept. You have any links that argue for ryan's guilt in this murder? There seems to be so many holes from the two pieces ive read, but id like to hear the other side's argument too (or is their whole case against him solely reliant on Chuck's recollections of that particular night?)

this. i dont understand how anybody with a brain can think she's an innocent party in meredith's death.

Are you accusing pretty much the entire American media of not having a brain?

i dont think the majority have brain tissue, much less fully functional brains...saw a clip from geraldo's show when he had a guest from friends of amanda and a lawyer who was anti-amanda and it boggled my mind how casually he talked about the case with no factual information at all; just kept talking about how their was no motive and how it was so unfair

Here's the italian version:

http://www.penale.it/page.asp?mode=1&IDPag=750

Here a google translate of this report (you may have to hit the "translate" button):

http://www.penale.it/page.asp?mode=1&IDPag=750

I cant seem to find it in PDF format, the above link is awkward to read, let me know if the links don't work

OK this isn't going to be in any kind of order, just what I can I remember:

Jerry Trump, the janitor that identified Ryan and Chuck, was in jail when he saw the paper with their pictures that he said jogged his memory. He also says his wife mailed the paper to him. His wife denies mailing the newspaper.

His co-worker who also saw the two kids (and got a better look than Jerry) gave descriptions that did not match the kids (different color hair, age 3-4 yrs off, weight 40lbs off). She also asked Jerry what he had seen at the time and he said that he couldn't see anything because the way the lights in the parking lot were (light shining at him, and boys were in the shadows).


Staying on that topic, police brought a K9 unit out and had a lead on bloody footprints that belonged to whoever those people were. They started off walking, then later started jogging, and then they disappeared. The dogs caught a scent from the prints and lead the officers to a University of Missouri dormitory.

Chuck's testimony was that they walked from the bar to Ryan's car to get the tire iron, to the parking lot, committed the crime, walked to a creek to clean up, then walked back to the bar. This eventually changed to match the bloody footprints which made it a path that was far from the quickest way to walk to each place. Ryan's original tire iron was still in his car when he was arrested. Obviously it wasn't the murder weapon.

Keith Heidolt (victim) left work with a co-worker and walked to the parking lot with him. The police did not go to see him right away. In fact his first interview/statement was over the phone.

Chuck claims since he was there, he remembers seeing the co-worker. He described him as a white man, the way in which he was described on the police report. The only problem is that he is a black man. On follow up interviews, anywhere from a couple of days after the crime to over a year later, the co-worker whose name is escaping me right now, had changed details of his story numerous times, even as big as what car he owned and drove to work that day.


The window of which Keith left work and in which he was murdered was very short. Something like a few minutes in between logging off his work computer and the 911 call. Ryan was on his cell phone during this time period. If he had been accused earlier, the cell phone company would have been able to tell which tower the phone was using, one in which would have put him downtown or another one closer to his house. But too much time had passed and records that detailed were no longer available.


Chuck has since been known to take blame for things in prison that he wasn't guilty of like possession of things that aren't allowed that other prisoners were keeping and apparently he has been manipulated a ton by his cellmates.


One thing the show only got into for a second was Dallas Mallory saying he saw them that night but wasn't used at trial that he later recanted. The reason he probably wasn't called was because Chuck said he saw Dallas at a redlight in a car in front of the Tribune building with two girls after they had committed the crime . Dallas did not have a licensee or a car and that light switches to a flashing yellow at 2am so he wouldn't have been stopped.

The part of the story about him agreeing with seeing him really isn't relevant but the story behind that was Chuck remembered what he was wearing for halloween and Dallas denied seeing him. The police were on him about how would he know his Halloween costume then and whatnot and finally he was like, "I guess I did see him then". Later on, there was a group picture with Chuck, Dallas, and a bunch of other people in it from a party that took place much earlier in the evening in their costumes, before going out for the night.


Make of it what you will. I really wish the police would have did a proper investigation of Keith's co-worker right away. It reminds me when I once found a dead body on my college campus. I called the campus police and they came out. I hung around for a couple of minutes waiting for someone to speak to me about it and then just walked off having not been spoken to.

lol I just looked over that link again for the first time in forever and realized that it is pretty much explaining, no doubt better than I did, everything I wrote out in my long ass post before this one.

As far as reading stuff defending the verdict, I haven't ran into anything. Feel free to link me to anything you can find.

The whole case was Chuck's testimony as far as I know. It does seem hard to believe someone would just make it all up and thats why that is all they needed. It also seems hard to believe someone could just forget about it for two years also.

He seemed pretty convincing on the stand, which makes me kind of ill considering he was never convinced of anything in the first place.

Where is the translate button?

LOL, wait,.... what??

You gotta explain that, what happened?

yeah, that whole video i watched from the cbs link earlier in the thread was disturbing too in regards to how the police interrogator was pushing him toward some answers. I have never and will never try to commit a murder, but you got to wonder if it is possible that they were able to rid themselves of all evidence by cleaning up at the creek, etc. Seems unlikely, but is it possible?

The one thing that struck me was when one of the female jurors had said she saw chuck eye ryan with a look of "come on, man, you know you did it" during the trial. as poker players, we all feel we can read a situation/people pretty clearly, it would have been cool to be in her position to gauge for ourselves, though that in itself should not be a deciding factor when deciding some kid's life. This case seems to have legit holes in it, whereas the arguments for amanda seem preposterous and lacking any real substance.

Some druggie either fell or jumped out of the 11th story window of our dorm.


I was leaving the dorm real early in the morning to go to the gym on campus out the side door. When I was a couple of feet away from the glass door to exit I just came to a sudden stop.

The body looked like a mannequin, skinny, no clothes, and pale but it startled me. My first thought was someone put it there as a joke but I still proceeded with caution taking one step at a time(not sure what I thought I needed to be cautious of).

I slowly opened the door and then recognized the kid from the elevators. He stood out by the way he looked. Probably would have been popular with all the emo rage these days. I never got within a foot or two of him but I remember going back inside and telling the front desk lady to call the police because there was a dead kid on the ground despite there being no blood.

He did have a a branch and some toilet paper underneath him making it obvious he came out of a window and through a tree that happened to be toilet papered at the time.

His friends made statements that he wasn't suicidal and whatnot saying maybe someone did something and put him there. The tree evidence disproved that pretty quick. He honestly might have just been high and sitting on his window sill or something. I heard they found like 200 hits of acid in his fridge. The next semester the dorm windows only opened like 2 inches which sucked.

His sister was in a sorority on campus and went on full fledged slut mode after that. A few of my friend's banged her. I never did, that would have just been too weird. The fact that she wasn't attractive made it easier

dont have IE on a mac I don't think. I'll leave it to you to summerize

thx though for the screenshot

As far as his physical evidence on them, it was 2 years after the fact before they became suspects so ya, I wouldn't say that the police not being able to find shoes that matched the prints or bloody clothes is something that immediately puts them off the hook.

And I wouldn't say it is impossible to not leave physical evidence at the crime scene. Only problem was there was evidence at the scene. Fingerprints and a hair, in the victims hand no less, which wasn't theres.

And I think you have to remember that following the stop off at the creek in the chain of events was them going back in a bar that had been closed for an hour. One in which there was a patrol car parked across the street.