This probably has to do with the fact that Henry actually provides the basis for his conclusions, whereas you and the other non-guilters always play "hide the ball."

So you were not implying that they were drug addicts who were on a binge?

Do you really think its weird for a teenage girl and young 20's boy who meet in an insta-attraction fashion and live in the same small city are inseparable for a week long period?

Really?....you believe this is "crazy" nutso weird?

Yes, that is impossible given the fact the evidence shows Meredith was not fighting (back, or otherwise) and that she was killed by more than one person.

Yes, I think it's wierd.

Have you ever met a random girl, had sex with her within an hour or two, and then spent every waking second with her for the next week?

The only time I've ever seen anything similar to that, binge drug use was a factor.

Don't they admit drug use? Who knows what all they were doing. Apparently hard drugs are easily available there.

I just don't understand how you all can not think she could have been easily dominated by Rudy, and held from behind in a choke hold with a knife or numerous other positions in which a larger, athletic, strong man can easily dominate a small female.

This is all the same whether it is 1 one guy, or 2 guys and 1 woman really.

It's certainly not impossible as you say, and I am shocked anyone could believe this is impossible to have happened.

Saying it is "impossible" is a pretty strong conviction and not one you can easily back up, and any person who was being LOGICAL about this would agree its not impossible.

The nature of the wounds indicate that she never fought back or even flinched.

How is that possible when you are repeatedly being cut, especially on the throat? How can one person cut her with one hand and completely immobilize her with the other, to the point where he can make numerous smooth cuts on her body and she never even flinches?

Where have you seen something something similar to this where binge drug use was a factor as you say? What experience or situation do you have/been in/or seen that concludes this?...you say "the only time I've ever seen anything similar"

For you to think very young people hooking up quickly and being infatuated with each other, and wanting to spend time together and in constant contact over the course of the next few days/week as crazy weird, is stranger to me then the fact that two people would actually do that.

I mean, this is quite normal puppy love for most people who have been young with new freedom of living on their own etc., and I think most sane logical people would not think this is crazy at all.

Also, I'm not sure when they were tested for drugs, if they were, but drugs such as LSD usually aren't easily identifiable in drug tests, and some drugs such as meth or coke can eliminate themselves in 48-72 hours.

PFUNK,

Have you ever met a random girl, had sex with her within an hour or two, and then spent every waking second with her for the next week?

I'm pretty sure someone could dominate you, put you in a form of a hold and cut you up and slit your throat without you showing much of a fight.

You are telling me this is impossible though?

The victim came forward a considerable amount of time later and only after Rudy's picture had been in the newspapers with respect to the murder.

Why is this witness credible but the three witnesses who all state without a doubt that they saw Amanda not credible?

If you were to so a impartial evaluation of the reliability of the witnesses the ones against Amanda all score higher than the witness against Rudy yet you reject the former and accept the latter as certain.

I met a girl while on vacation when younger...we hooked up (was not in an hour or two) and I spent the next 3 1/2 days with her pretty much constantly after we met until I was scheduled to fly out. I really wanted to change my flight and stay longer too, trust me.

I must be a crazy person though.

Doesn't this describe like half of first year "going away to college" students?

I mean weren't dorms designed for random hookups

The appeal court also stated that people lying about their alibi and buying cleaning products at the break of dawn is not suspicious.

The break-in was impossible.

The lawyers office had a balcony under the window that was accessed. Do you know what a balcony is? Do you see how that makes the two entries different?

He wont understand. He is either an ugly troll virgin who never has the opportunities to have amazing sexual/romantic encounters with the opposite sex in his lifetime, or an asexual.

Not impossible but extremely unlikely given the attack.

Where it becomes impossible is that the body was moved and the rape scene staged while Rudy was at Domus. Further, someone was in the cottage while Rudy was at Domus.

So to accept this version you'd have to accept that an extremely unlikely event happened and then further that someone not involved in the killing was involved in the clean up and staging of the body.

Given the other evidence that someone has to be Amanda and Raffaele but why would they disturb a crime scene if they were not involved in the killing?

They admit to soft drug use but it is pretty clear that they are lying. Hearsay and rumors is that they were both pretty big coke heads and there is some evidence to support this but not much.

Because that isn't how the attack happened. If you read the report of the injuries it is obvious that a single attacker could not have pulled off the attack alone.

The experts were not willing to say impossible but said that it was extremely unlikely. That is being conservative. If you read the report and understand it you'll conclude that based on the injuries a single attacker is impossible.

It is. That isn't what happened.

Just off the top of my head.

Meredith had several small cuts on one side of her neck and a deeper cut that made it to the jaw. This was on the opposite side of the neck to which she was stabbed.

How does that happen?

The bruising on her head indicate her head was being restrained. The bruising on her arms indicate that her arms were being restrained behind her back. That is how that happens but then Rudy needs more hands than he has.

Further, how does Rudy switch hands with the knife while restraining her? At some point the knife has to be switched between hands but then Meredith would be free to defend herself.

The evidence is also such that two knives is almost a certainty -- why would a single attacker use two knives?

Maybe so.

Like I said, I've never seen two normal, sober people behave like this.

They were joking, cuddling and kissing in the police station hours after Meredith's body was found.

Is that also standard puppy love?

Look at these photos of AK taken after the body was discovered.

Supposedly she had just taken a shower and cleaned up up just hours before.

Yet the police testified that she had excessive body odor when they arrived.

This is one of the more disheveled pictures you'll ever see of her.



Freshly showered, or up all night?

I've read the Massei report on this though I cannot recite it by memory like you can. I have read a summary of it on another site recently that is pro guilt. Is this enough to have a conversation about it? Or, are you just going to snide at me with more "if you read the reports" crap, implying that I cannot reach a different conclusion then you from reading on the same subject.

She has some defensive wounds to her hands if I recall...palm, wrist, fingers etc., and she has multiple bruise locations...hips, wrists etc.

Your whole theory states she would have tons of defensive wounds, and the knives change angles coming from different areas making the attacker needing to switch positions etc....and this is what Massei needed to believe.

My opinion this evidence could easily lead someone to conclude that Rudy was ON TOP OF HER using his body and knees to restrain her and using one hand to restrain both her hands.

This is just as possible and a very logical possibility.

Why all you idiots think this one tiny girl would need to be held down by one person, with another restraining her simultaneously, and another cutting her up in order to show the results on her body and commit this same crime is ridiculous.

Different struggles, different angles, different restraints....all by the same person.

He grabs her, struggles, restrains her from behind in a choke hold....at some points holds the knife to her throat cutting on this side, threatening her. She is screaming and he wants her to STFU and doesnt want someone to hear her.

At this point he throws her around, and perhaps slams her on the ground with her head hitting the ground...she is disoriented and half way out of it.

He climbs over her body restraining her with his....pinning her down using his body an knees and hands with knife still in it, attempting his sexual assault.

She is weak and head violently slammed, but she is attempting to restrain...he uses one hand to restrain both of hers...maybe even switching which hand he restrains her with as he juggles the knife back and forth.

We now have mutliple restraint points on different areas on her body (bruising), and we now have different position cuts with the knife (behind her, then on top of her).

All of this is POSSIBLE is all I am saying.

I am not indicating this is exactly what happened.

But for you ******s to not realize one person could not dominate a woman and leave this evidence on her body makes you a F'cking idiot.

Its not impossible, and nowhere near impossible.

Jesus....ur right, I never saw this actually.

Case Solved!

We know from blood splatter that she was upright when attacked.

If Rudy was on top of her then yes he could have done the attack by himself since he could use his body to restrain her. That though is not what happened.

Because we know the details. There isn't anything that you are going to think up that I have not considered and rejected.

Excuse me. I don't want to interrupt you while you are on a roll, but in the question you posed, you specifically stated that for the purposes of your hypo that "she was fighting back."

The evidence shows she was not fighting back.

If the question now is whether she could be "dominated" by Rudy, such that she shows no signs of fighting back, I suggest you restate your question, because we are no longer discussing what you asked in the first place.

I've had one night stands. I've had random hookups, but I haven't clinged to the girl for a week straight afterwards unless we were getting ****ed up together.

Whatever.

The only way you could ever convince me that their behavior throughout this murder investigation is indicative of innocence is to argue that they had been extremely ****ed up for days on meth, ecstacy, etc.

Two sober, innocent people behaving like those two is just not believable.