Wat.

All I'm saying is that if you define old as when your quality of life starts to dramatically decline, then we will all be "not old" for longer due to technology, better understanding of what is bad for us and good for us, etc. You could say quality of life starts declining when you're in your late 20s bc your not as spry and energetic as you used to be. But it's not a dramatic decline. If you're 35 and want to live like you're 25, you can pretty much do that. But I you're 65 and want to live like you're 25, it's physically impossible (usually). But maybe by the time we are 65 ("we," meaning I'm 34), science will have allowed us to live like we're 25. That's not likely, but hopefully you get my point. Hell maybe by the time we're in our 80s we'll all just upload our consciousnesses to servers and party in the matrix forever.

Yeah but the people younger than you will still think you are ancient. Relative to them, you are. That's like people in their sixties now thinking they are young because they didn't have to worry about contracting polio, and had such a huge advantage against people born before them. But then people our are are like "no, trust us, you're old"*

I mean I guess it doesn't matter. Because if you convince yourself you are more like the younger crowd than the older crowd that's good for you. But from the young crowd's perspective they will lol @ you. I'm pretty sure when we were born, smoking in hospitals was like required by the doctors. Wearing seat belts was frowned upon, and drinking and driving was still allowed in parts of the country. I'm only a year younger than you. The food pyramid has since been basically turned upside down, etc.

Some say that the first person who will live to be 150 years old has already been born somewhere.

*To all 60 year olds, I don't actually think this, I was just using a number that I thought was a decent cut-off for polio example. My dad is 61 and he still beats me at basketball lol.

Why would you define old by what younger people think? Who cares? When I was 8 I thought 18 was old. But it wasn't. I'm defining old as no longer being able to live a life that is pretty similar to what you lived in your prime. Technological advances allow that portion of your life to be larger.

It will be harder to re-live your prime years when the youngsters are so much younger, fresher, and healthier than you. That's the point.

55 year olds might be able to still play pickup basketball with 25 year olds today but when those 25 year olds are 55, they might only be able to hang with 30 year olds. Even though their actual aggregate skill level is better than that of the 55 year olds who used to play them. Though both will obviously have benefited from advances in human medicine and health. The difference in benefit from between the 3rd generation and 2nd might be significantly more than the difference in benefit from the 2nd generation to the first.

Who cares what 21 year olds think about anything?

21 year olds are probably more intelligent and stronger than I was at 21. Hell we didn't even have wikipedia or know about Starting Strength. 21 year olds from 50 years ago were probably ****ing their own sisters and trying to breathe and walk at the same time.

Maybe you're joking, but I'll bite. Having instant access to information does not equal intelligence. And people fifty years ago were by all accounts less morbidly obese and generally more self-reliant than people today.

also skooling sux now i heer

Smoking was required by doctors in the late 70's? Hmmm... it was allowed in hospitals, don't know about required.

Lol, at drinking and driving being allowed in parts of the US in the late 70's.

I turn 30 in like 12 days.

I'm single and have been for 95% of my twenties
I play poker for a living
I have no responsibilities, kids, mortgage etc....

Yet I am feel as if I have somewhat failed my twenties as most people are married with kids and have a proper job by this point.

Oh well time to join plentyoffish.com

Is there anything more to this than the feeling that you need to conform? Examine that closely, it seems like you're doing fine. Unless you actually want a "proper job" and to be married with kids but the way you put it, it sounds like you're dealing with external pressure to live the way most people live even if it doesn't make sense to you. But otherwise, live how you want and try to associate with people who are willing to accept that.

Meh, its the case of the Jonse's, we are just used to measuring our lives by other people's lives which is just entirely wrong. All of the US and Im sure other developed countries have it like a crack addiction.


I just measure my life by what I did in the past. To use someone else's life as a measuring stick is just a huge fail at least for me cuz then I pick people that there is just no way I could live up to.


Besided the whole wife, kids, car, house with the white picket fence sounds boring as all hell.....

Somewhat related imo

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/...nks?ref=search

Hopefully I dont get banned for that, im not a part of that project, just think its apt to his comment on this thread.

The only reason I would go back to being in my 20s is to be 20 years further from death. But, that's a pretty good reason.

what is this prime you speak of? because maybe if the metric is purely athletic or skin condition (superficial) then everything over 16 is non-prime about women But if you can get beyond egotism, then a mind doesn't really form enough to be cognisant about issues until the 30's, no matter the pure sluice box of raw information available (ie wikipedia)

Every generation from the beginning of recorded time has thought they were smarter and better than their predecessors. Yet on average that changes once the wisdom of experience becomes more prevalent.

imo, the current generation is lacking in basic functioning. If their smartphone were to die, they probably can't even perform basic math of adding up the sales tax on a purchase.

Every generation from the beginning of recorded time has thought they were smarter and better than the following generation too. There are some quotes from Plato (I think) about 'kids nowadays'.

Call prime whatever you want. Sure, call it 30s. It doesn't matter. It's the same point.

Hell, I see grown men in their 40s+ entering the final bill total in their smart phones tip calculator app. How hard is it to figure out what to tip on a $78.43 bill? Dumb**** fails at both rounding and basic math.

So basically, without kids your life would be 500x better?

I'd rather donate sperm and have like 150 kids that I don't have to worry about at all, than this misery..

btw. Troy Robertson AKA Troyzan from this season Survivor, is 50, and he's fitter than most 20 year old's

Most people fail at moving the decimal point and then multiplying by 2 apparently.

My sister does it, but I think its an OCD thing with her - she can do the math just fine like I can, but I think she likes doing it on the phone calc.

People watch Survivor?

I turn 30 in 6 days. I'm pretty happy.

George Will does not join you in applauding:

grunching. Turn 30 by the end of the summer, but I don't feel young. I feel like I am well aware of how inferior to the me of even 5 years ago physically the current me is, much less when I was still in college and could literally eat nothing but brownies and drink nothing but beer and never come close to 180 much less 200 lbs, stay up all night with no repurcussions and the like. So as a soon to be 30 y.o., I feel like I can safely say (for me at least) 30 doesn't have **** on 20.

On the career side, I feel like the extra decade makes no difference though, and I literally feel like I am in the same place I was post-college with the only difference being I'm not getting callbacks I was then.

**** that, Im in the same boat and all my friends that have kids are tired, stressed, HAVE to work full time instead of just choosing to and are locked down to a mortgage. It looks like I could live over 100 given how long my grandparents have lived so far (all close to 90 or over) and who know how long they will last. Being free is awesome imo.


Ill wait till Im 50 or so and done living to settle down and have the damn anchor on me. Just look at the new 50 years olds these days, so many of them are like 20 years younger looking and healthier then the dudes who were 50 when I was a kid.



All the old rules are changing, I mean hell u can get upgrades for your body now with hips, knees and such as well as well as hormone therapy and the list goes on and will keep on expanding.

I'm 26. The group of friends I run with range anywhere from 23 to 30ish, with most prob being 28+ and a few exceeding 32. We all live either directly in or right next to a major city (DC). There's not much of a difference between most of us other than that the 30+ guys in the group have more money than the younger guys. None of us have kids and none of us are married. The former members of our "crew" that have had kids and gotten married all tell us how jealous of us they are. They occasionally come out with us when the wife permits it, and it always makes for an... entertaining insight into the "other side." We're not exactly jealous of their life style in return.

We're those career driven, single males in their late 20s/early 30s that chick in the Wall Street Journal was bitching about last year. While we certainly like to have fun, all of our careers are at pretty critical junctures, and we focus on them with the utmost priority.

If I think about my extended group of friends, there's a clear correlation between where people live and where they've gone in life. A vast majority of my friends located in urban areas are single and still have a "20 something" lifestyle. Most of my friends living in suburban/rural areas are married and/or talk about getting married all the time. Obv this is all stuff I'm pretty sure you all already knew.



As a side note, I'll interestingly point out that nearly all of the women we date, with a few rare exceptions, are under the age of 25.