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01-15-2012 , 08:32 AM
lol at all the idiots ITT who think that the humans have even the slightest chance!
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01-15-2012 , 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by grando
I dunno - 12 guys is a lot of mass for the gorilla to deal with

if you just rush it and get it down and take out its eyes and decimate his junk you have a real shot

I'd set the line at -300 gorilla
Terrible line since gorilla wins 100% of the time.
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01-15-2012 , 09:18 AM
I feel this is a lot like "but Mike Tyson could totally knock anyone out with one punch, therefore he would dominate MMA."

Yeah the silverback is big strong and mean. But 12 professional powerlifters is a lot. They aren't going to stand still while the silverback rips their arms off. The silverback will get tired and worn out. Powerlifters win this 95% of the time.
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01-15-2012 , 09:46 AM
Damn I wish I was rich enough to make this fight happen. Pay some randoms a couple of million each, give loads of teh steroids and then let me sit like a king surveying the action.
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01-15-2012 , 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by d3 fact0
lol at all the idiots ITT who think that the humans have even the slightest chance!






gorilla = midget
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01-15-2012 , 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Matt R.
I feel this is a lot like "but Mike Tyson could totally knock anyone out with one punch, therefore he would dominate MMA."

Yeah the silverback is big strong and mean. But 12 professional powerlifters is a lot. They aren't going to stand still while the silverback rips their arms off. The silverback will get tired and worn out. Powerlifters win this 95% of the time.
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01-15-2012 , 10:22 AM
Are those things even human?

Surprised the gorilla debate is still going on. The gorilla might only be 2 or 3 (or some other number) times stronger than a bodybuilder, but its hardly relevant considering any hit landed by gorilla = human incapacitated and hit landed by humans = gorilla slightly angrier. only chance bodybuilders have is if the gorilla does something ******ed, like gets distracted by something shiny or gets scared by 12 guys rushing him or starts laying into one guy allowing others to pile up on a single limb. if the original stipulations hold, meaning the silverback is 100% committed to murdering everyone in the room, its game over.
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01-15-2012 , 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by (._X)0---(^_^)






gorilla = midget
you do realize that a 145lbs. olympic power lifter will deadlift way more weight than that "human gorrila" could ever in his wildest dreams?!?! That dude is basically a giant water balloon.
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01-15-2012 , 11:45 AM
Is that guy even capable of performing a deadlift?
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01-15-2012 , 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by esad
None of the pro humans supporters has still given a good explanation of how they are going to kill the gorilla.

Without tools the humans are ****ed.
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Originally Posted by nuclear500
The only conceivable way multiple men would have a chance is if somehow all for extremities are pinned down at the exact same time and are held immobile.

Good luck with that.
A casual google search didn't provide the anatomic detail I would like to have seen of the gorilla's neck. Specifically, how anterior is the larynx and trachea and how protected are those structures on their lateral margins. Gorillas do have larger neck muscles, but most of that mass seems to be distributed posteriorly and laterally. If one could assume that the trachea and larynx are similarly situated in a gorilla and man (in that it would be possible to grasp those structures), then I think the best chance of subduing/killing the beast would happen if one of those guys got a brief, albeit powerful, grip on it. (He should be able to crush and/or occlude it.)

The relatively longer arms would be to the gorilla's advantage when he's swinging them, but could be a (slight) disadvantage if two or three guys were able to grab them and extend them in such a way as to maximize the leverage being afforded because of the longer length.

I also think that there's probably an optimal cage size if the dudes are gonna have any shot at winning this.

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01-15-2012 , 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by CaptainBusto
Are those things even human?

Surprised the gorilla debate is still going on. The gorilla might only be 2 or 3 (or some other number) times stronger than a bodybuilder, but its hardly relevant considering any hit landed by gorilla = human incapacitated and hit landed by humans = gorilla slightly angrier. only chance bodybuilders have is if the gorilla does something ******ed, like gets distracted by something shiny or gets scared by 12 guys rushing him or starts laying into one guy allowing others to pile up on a single limb. if the original stipulations hold, meaning the silverback is 100% committed to murdering everyone in the room, its game over.
Yeah, if you assume any hit landed by the gorilla will instantly incapacitate the powerlifter and any hit landed by a world champion powerlifter will do zero damage to the gorilla, and the gorilla has infinite endurance, and the gorilla has laser beams that shoot out of its eyes, then the powerlifters have no chance.

Like I said before, it's kinda like arguing prime Mike Tyson would dominate MMA because he can knock anyone out in one punch. Obv his opponents will just stand there and see how hard Iron Mike can punch them in the head.
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01-15-2012 , 12:22 PM
Do you guys seriously think if a gorilla takes a few shots to the head by 12 guys who can all bench close to 1000 pounds he's not going to be phased at all? I mean, his head is made of bone and soft tissue, same as us. It's not like his bones are made of adamantium or he will start growing in size like the incredible hulk the more pissed off he gets.
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01-15-2012 , 12:38 PM
but the gorilla has a hulk smash...

money is obv. on the gorilla, but the 12 guys do have a chance.

Swift kick to the throat...

3 Ninjas - Light up the eyes!!!

also makes a big difference if the gorilla is at full on rage at the starting bell.
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01-15-2012 , 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by d3 fact0
you do realize that a 145lbs. olympic power lifter will deadlift way more weight than that "human gorrila" could ever in his wildest dreams?!?! That dude is basically a giant water balloon.
maybe in 1930. Ruhl just like coleman at their prime had lifts WITHOUT stupid ****** squat/bench suits/belt or gloves WAY stronger than almost all if not all powerlifters.
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01-15-2012 , 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt R.
Do you guys seriously think if a gorilla takes a few shots to the head by 12 guys who can all bench close to 1000 pounds he's not going to be phased at all? I mean, his head is made of bone and soft tissue, same as us. It's not like his bones are made of adamantium or he will start growing in size like the incredible hulk the more pissed off he gets.
Answer: yes. Not. phased. at. all. Gorillas have WAY thicker skulls and WAY more dense bones.

Have you ever been around, say, a horse? You pet your dog, and it feels a certain amount of pressure. You pretty much have to pound on a horse about as hard as you'd knock on a front door for the horse to feel it. In other words, not all vertebrates and even primates are built the same.
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01-15-2012 , 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by zoltan
Answer: yes. Not. phased. at. all. Gorillas have WAY thicker skulls and WAY more dense bones.

Have you ever been around, say, a horse? You pet your dog, and it feels a certain amount of pressure. You pretty much have to pound on a horse about as hard as you'd knock on a front door for the horse to feel it. In other words, not all vertebrates and even primates are built the same.
Me petting a horse is not like having 12 guys who can bench press half a ton each pounding on you.
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01-15-2012 , 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt R.
Me petting a horse is not like having 12 guys who can bench press half a ton each pounding on you.
The point?

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You missed it.
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01-15-2012 , 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt R.
Me petting a horse is not like having 12 guys who can bench press half a ton each pounding on you.
I'm definitely adding this to my candidate list of "disturbingly enigmatic phrases that I want on my gravestone."
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01-15-2012 , 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by (._X)0---(^_^)





Seriously, how flaming gay is this guy? lol bodybuilders
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01-15-2012 , 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by zoltan
Gorillas have WAY thicker skulls and WAY more dense bones.
Source? (I couldn't find a reliable one.)

Also, I'd think a mean uppercut or a vicious hook to the jaw stands a pretty good chance fracturing the mandible of the gorilla. If successful, that'd take some of the bite out of his bite.
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01-15-2012 , 03:07 PM
Do the power lifters (or is it still body builders?) get to wear their bench shirts during this exhibition? Because that is the only way any of them are benching 'half a ton'. If this is a USPF sanctioned event then the power lifters have a shot...Bwahahahahaha.
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01-15-2012 , 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by leo doc
Source? (I couldn't find a reliable one.)

Also, I'd think a mean uppercut or a vicious hook to the jaw stands a pretty good chance fracturing the mandible of the gorilla. If successful, that'd take some of the bite out of his bite.
Since my OP didnt mention shoes or anything(obviouly mean a lot) I would think a kick would do better. If they dont have shoes I would reckon using their heel would be better(obviously gorrilla has to be pinned)
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01-15-2012 , 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by leo doc
Source? (I couldn't find a reliable one.)

Also, I'd think a mean uppercut or a vicious hook to the jaw stands a pretty good chance fracturing the mandible of the gorilla. If successful, that'd take some of the bite out of his bite.
I'm assuming you're a doctor and might be able to understand this paper better than me. I just skimmed it and looked at the figures.

A Biomechanical Analysis of Ape and Human Thoracic Vertebrae Using Quantitative Computed Tomography Based Finite Element Models

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Spontaneous vertebral fractures are common among humans, but not observed in apes. Differences in bone structure associated with increased fracture susceptibility among humans remain unclear. Our aim was to determine how vertebral bone compressive strength varies among apes and humans, and how bone loss affects differences in vertebral strength. QCT-based voxel finite element models derived from quantitative computed tomography (QCT) images of the thoracic vertebrae (T8) were created for apes and humans. Human vertebrae showed significantly reduced bone strength relative to apes with similar body mass (p<0.01) and bone mineral content (p<0.01). Bone loss simulations showed no significant differences in the effect of bone loss on strength among species. Our study suggests human vertebrae are weaker than ape vertebrae after accounting for bone mass, but are not more sensitive to age-related bone loss. Our results support the idea weaker vertebral bone contributes to the unique susceptibility of humans to vertebral fractures.
Y-Axis is Vertebral Compressive Strength



Comparison of Silverback Gorilla Skeleton and Human Skeleton



If these humans have really thick bones in absolute size, the paper indicates gorillas have much higher bone mineral density anyways:

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01-15-2012 , 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt R.
Yeah, if you assume any hit landed by the gorilla will instantly incapacitate the powerlifter and any hit landed by a world champion powerlifter will do zero damage to the gorilla, and the gorilla has infinite endurance, and the gorilla has laser beams that shoot out of its eyes, then the powerlifters have no chance.

Like I said before, it's kinda like arguing prime Mike Tyson would dominate MMA because he can knock anyone out in one punch. Obv his opponents will just stand there and see how hard Iron Mike can punch them in the head.
It really isn't like that at all. Even a sudden forearm bash by the gorilla in closed quarters would seriously **** up a human. The thing could grab and pull an arm out of socket in just a few seconds with just one semi-free arm.
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01-15-2012 , 04:19 PM
Better picture of Silverback Gorilla Skeleton:



From the website the picture came from:

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The Silverback Lowland Gorilla Skeleton is cast from a very large male specimen.
Add skin, body mass and muscle:



I don't think humans will be breaking any of the gorilla's bones besides maybe phalanges.

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