Villain was 14/11/2(3bet)
fold to cbet 43%
and i had a note that i'd seen him bluff raise the turn.

Was this ok to stack off? figured he's repping a very narrow value range 33/77/88 and could be bluffing in this spot given my note?

PokerStars - $0.50 NL ZOOM - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $161.41
SB: $46.84
BB: $53.03
Hero (UTG): $50.19
UTG+1: $50.00
UTG+2: $23.45
MP: $87.17
MP+1: $25.19
CO: $69.09

SB posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has T T

Hero raises to $1.50, UTG+1 calls $1.50, fold, MP calls $1.50, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold

Flop: ($5.25, 3 players) 3 3 7
Hero bets $3.00, UTG+1 calls $3.00, fold

Turn: ($11.25, 2 players) 8
Hero bets $5.50, UTG+1 raises to $16.25, Hero raises to $45.69 and is all-in, UTG+1 calls $29.25 and is all-in



And what about this line, villain was 12/11 over a small sample


PokerStars - $0.50 NL ZOOM - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $30.01
SB: $111.66
BB: $75.07
UTG: $17.25
UTG+1: $20.75
UTG+2: $46.82
MP: $50.29
Hero (MP+1): $55.98
CO: $50.75

SB posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has J A

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $1.50, fold, BTN calls $1.50, fold, fold

Flop: ($3.75, 2 players) 4 2 T
Hero bets $2.36, BTN calls $2.36

Turn: ($8.47, 2 players) K
Hero bets $5.00, BTN calls $5.00

River: ($18.47, 2 players) A
Hero bets $6.50, BTN raises to $13.00, fold

BTN wins $30.05

If they are 3betting such an absurdly high percentage I see no reason not to call in position and play a pot. If they are really that aggressive I'd be happy to 4bet/call it off with 99+ AQ+ and flat with hands like KJ-KQ, AT-AJ that has his range crushed.

Nearly puked on my screen. I couldn't help but 4bet to 20BB and then the CO shoved and the BTN shoved. I haven't stoved it but I don't think I even have odds to call looking at their ranges.

Are we 100bb deep? Yeah I don't think we do either, CO worries me quite a bit because he has nitty stats too and he should be worried about a nit 3betting and a reg 4betting a nit. If either has QQ then it's pretty horrible. Did you call? Reminds me of a hand I had from earlier, fortunately I was in the best position:

PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) ZOOM - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): $48.98
SB: $26.01
BB: $27.37
UTG: $36.79
MP: $14.89
CO: $53.57

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has A A

fold, MP raises to $0.62, fold, Hero raises to $2.00, SB raises to $7.00, fold, MP raises to $14.89 and is all-in, Hero raises to $48.98 and is all-in, SB calls $19.01 and is all-in

Flop: ($67.16, 3 players) 9 K A

Turn: ($67.16, 3 players) J

River: ($67.16, 3 players) 3

SB shows Q Q (One Pair, Queens) (Pre 15%, Flop 2%, Turn 10%)
Hero shows A A (Three of a Kind, Aces) (Pre 67%, Flop 89%, Turn 88%)
MP shows K K (Three of a Kind, Kings) (Pre 18%, Flop 10%, Turn 2%)
Hero wins $65.16

Sick cooler but SB played that pretty horribly.

TT hand, i feel like hes only continuing with better hands here.. What do you think he can call with thats worse?

AJ hand, this is a pretty good line actually he cant really do anything on river without a strong hand..
The question u gotta think bout in this spot is would he or would he not fold like med pocket pairs like 99 on the turn.. if he doesnt firing any diamond is all good cuz he really can never call but if he does then he only continues with like At (kt would prob raise turn) and diamond draws and that hits kinda hard on the river..

I have a feeling I should have called the turn, folded river. Your thoughts though chaps and chapesses? (no reads, zoom, first hand with him)



p.s. If I had any fold equity I think the turn shove would have been right. Otherwise, Im just not quite getting the right odds.

Yeah, hes barely ever folding that turn after he bets..
You need to hit a Q sometimes n a spade to almost always win..


At the start of this thread, you were playing NL2.. why r u still playing NL2..

fold flop IMO.

That flop is about the worst possible for you.

@TT hand, wouldn't we want to flat if he was bluff raising so that he can attempt to bluff river too because he's not going to call a shove?

I love overbet shipping vs these fishlets.. They cant fold ****


PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) ZOOM - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $25.40
SB: $27.22
BB: $12.50
Hero (UTG): $39.38
MP: $28.70
CO: $13.74

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero has K K

Hero raises to $0.75, fold, CO calls $0.75, fold, fold, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($2.35, 3 players) 7 5 8
BB checks, Hero bets $1.79, CO calls $1.79, BB calls $1.79

Turn: ($7.72, 3 players) J
BB checks, Hero bets $36.84 and is all-in, CO calls $11.20 and is all-in, BB calls $9.96 and is all-in

River: ($40.08, 3 players) A

Hero shows K K (One Pair, Kings) (Pre 51%, Flop 24%, Turn 40%)
CO shows 9 A (One Pair, Aces) (Pre 28%, Flop 50%, Turn 40%)
BB shows 7 6 (One Pair, Sevens) (Pre 22%, Flop 26%, Turn 19%)
CO wins $38.28

I kno the equity is pretty even wit me n A9dd but I take KK over A9dd EVERYTIME.. He needs to make his hand while mine is already made.. Some of his diamonds might be folded, aces might be folded.. I dont even care if both of my kings are folded, it doesnt matter

PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) ZOOM - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $32.59
SB: $33.52
Hero (BB): $25.00
UTG: $25.90
MP: $31.62
CO: $71.80

SB posts SB $0.10, Hero posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero has 8 8

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.50, fold, Hero calls $0.25

Flop: ($1.10, 2 players) 6 8 7
Hero bets $1.00, BTN raises to $2.00, Hero raises to $6.00, BTN calls $4.00

Turn: ($13.10, 2 players) J
Hero bets $18.50 and is all-in, BTN calls $18.50

River: ($50.10, 2 players) A

Hero shows 8 8 (Three of a Kind, Eights) (Pre 51%, Flop 74%, Turn 84%)
BTN shows K Q (High Card, Ace) (Pre 49%, Flop 26%, Turn 16%)
Hero wins $48.10

Should I have gone wit this hand or just fold to MP raise on turn?


PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) ZOOM - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $12.25
Hero (SB): $26.13
BB: $22.35
UTG: $29.81
MP: $32.81
CO: $25.00

Hero posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero has 8 7

fold, MP calls $0.25, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.15, BB checks

Flop: ($0.75, 3 players) 6 3 5
Hero bets $0.50, BB calls $0.50, MP calls $0.50

Turn: ($2.25, 3 players) J
Hero bets $1.25, BB calls $1.25, MP raises to $7.15, Hero calls $5.90, BB raises to $21.60 and is all-in, MP raises to $32.06 and is all-in, Hero calls $18.23 and is all-in

River: ($74.61, 3 players) 7

Hero shows 8 7 (One Pair, Sevens) (Pre 20%, Flop 37%, Turn 31%)
MP shows J J (Three of a Kind, Jacks) (Pre 63%, Flop 9%, Turn 67%)
BB shows 3 3 (Three of a Kind, Threes) (Pre 17%, Flop 54%, Turn 2%)
MP wins $72.61

Pains me to see someone open-limping JJ win 2BI in a single hand.

I'd probably play it the same tbh, hard to get away from a combo draw and you obviously have implied odds as MP seems like such a big fish. Hard to see that BB would shove when he only called two streets.

How fishy is it at this time? I see Players/Flop % is 5%+ higher than normal.

I'd fold to the first turn raise, your price isn't that great and you aren't guaranteed to see the river card because of exactly what happened - BB shoves all in. And one of them could have had a higher flush draw.

It was at 13% like 5 hours ago n now its 18% so yeah seems fishier..
I've been playin all day regardless

My thinking was all his bluffs had a lot of equity.

Most likely two overs and/or a flush draw.

If I flat there's so many ugly rivers.....

Made my way up to 25nl, got crushed, dropped back down to work on my game - repeat 3 times. Am now on the 4th climb.

yeah makes me kind of curious chad

Why don't u upp your br requirements and drop down accordingly?

It sounds more like you have some serious tilt issues that are eating away at your bankroll not just once or twice, you should focus on that mainly

[QUOTE=raikkonen3;33493143]Are we 100bb deep? Yeah I don't think we do either, CO worries me quite a bit because he has nitty stats too and he should be worried about a nit 3betting and a reg 4betting a nit. If either has QQ then it's pretty horrible. Did you call? Reminds me of a hand I had from earlier, fortunately I was in the best position.

100bb's deep. Yeah I called, I think I needed ~23% to call and I thought f it I must be getting the right odds here. Probably getting ~15% against both villains perceived ranges. Still don't know if 4bet is bad or not. Meh sick hand anyways. CO showed JJ and Btn showed AA.

What bankroll did you move up to 25nl at? Have like 550 and might take a shot.

Q6s i'm having a hard time getting my head round this if you can interject on the thought process.

I'm guessing your raising a really wide range BvB and villain knows this so he's likely to float a lot of flops on this super dry board because he thinks your FOS. It's hard for him to have trips (because trips is hard) however he could have A7s 97 87 etc. His floating range will contain some aces, and some other crap, however I don't know what his 3 bet but we can discount some aces as he will 3bet them pre. Turn comes a king which we can more likely have than him so we bet, we could also have trips etc. Villain believes we will barrel scare card so he can call with a 7, he also may raise a T for value given that a flush draw is now out there as well as a straight draw. River comes a T which means it's v unlikely that villain has a T. He also bets fairly large OTR which polarizes him as he will want to get value from his full house. He is unlikely to do this with 7's FH because he has some SDV. Sound about right? Why did you decide to call and not raise? Surely some of his of bluffing range will contain aces?

I hope this doesn't sound like a ramble.

Jesus, what is CO doing?!

Well I originally planned to wait until I had 600 $but then I decided to do 1 table of NL25 with 3 of NL10. I later went on to 2 table NL25 and won 3BI so my roll was ~$600, yesterday I 2 tabled and won 8BI so roll is now ~$800. I think $550 is enough if you are confident with yourself and you set yourself a stop loss point, mine was $400.

Each time I moved up, I got killed to death. Some bad beats obviously but I cant have lost as much as I did through beats so it had to be problems with my play. MUCH better to drop back down to 2nl and learn from my mistakes there than at 25nl. Nothing to do with bad BRM or tilt issues.

Thanks for your concern though mates :x

money...solid...blah blah



Also, this is the sort of hand that's annoying me. MP1 is 13/10/5, we're not deep enough to call but I can't see value is 4-betting either. I could ship it but then I'm likely only getting called where I'm beat (also a reason I'm gonna start 4-betting KK smaller so we give hands that aren't AA a chance to shove over us rather than only AA calling a shove) and if I so something like min-4bet villain calls with position and I'm hating most flops or they shove over and I'm still close to pot-committed.

I know it's nearly always a lay-down but it just seems weak with such a strong hand but I can't see how we're ever any better than a race.

I am raising a really wide range bvb, but at the time I didn't think villain had adjusted to this as he had something like 5/7 ftcbet bvb, and a real high ftcbet overall.

Yeah just bet the king as default because he probably doesnt fold the flop with any pair or obv 7x, which I think he will fold now a lot of the time.

Didn't give this villain credit for thinking on this level about calling with a 7, because so far he had been playing ABC and seemed to be thinking about his cards and how they interacted with the board, and not our bluffing ranges and stuff. Also yeah I expected that he would raise a 10 some % of the time.

Yeah basically otr I was sure he wouldn't bet a 7, and since he had a high ftcbet didn't think he could have a king. The only real hands I was worried about were like JJ and QQ, but he had 6% 3bet so I guess he 3bets these pre some %. Otr at first I thought I should have raised but now I like the call more, because I don't think he has much Ax and people like the villain get stationy vs river c/rs and would probably call all his value betting range.

TY for the response. When I make a sick call I'll post it but don't think I can construct ranges that fast in game!

But why not just move back to 10NL?

Playing styles will be closer to 25NL so it'll be better for your game IMO.