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04-30-2013 , 02:31 PM
Looking for a zoom Skype chat or people to discuss some hands with. Playing 6 hours Zoom each day right now and pretty active. Playing at 5NL right now but I just started a new bankroll at Pokerstars where I used to play 50nl on 888Fish.

Next to that I'm pretty curious how people play their monsters. Let's say you got a heads-up flop and with just a Q-3-x flop and you hit a set of threes and the villain is sitting button and you raised let's say MP. I would generally go for a check here to do a checkraise. Would this be a goodplay considering it's a dry flop? I'm also really curious how people think about betzising. I really got a feeling that when you're gonna start betting 75% of pot's people will go away quik. I just saw the first 2 videos of the coaching tree and here Belugawhale speaks alot about valuebetting and just valuebetting at the lower stakes. This is what Im trying to implement right now at Zoom but it doesnt seem to be working. And when I bet small I'm just not building a pot to shove them on the river.

Though I think Zoom is just easily beatable on lower stakes by just raising every button and cut-off depending on the people on your left and playing a nitty style and try to minimize my mistakes. All raises on flop turn etc I fold unless I got the right implied odds to chase a draw or got a good read its just a spastic move of someone. Though its all about minimizing your mistakes since you most of the times only get it in when you got a better monster. Must say it get's me tilting quite alot with so many hands played and sometimes so much suck-outs in just one hour. Are there people here fond of slowplaying their set's? I know it all depends on the player etc. but most of the times you dont got that information. Trying to make as much as possible notes. Next to that I wanted to know if there is anyone who gots a good advice on learning ranges because I feel this is very important. I always stand for a difficult discision when someone opens before me and Im button or MP. Most people are 12-22 PFR. So it's hard to call down with let's say my a-10 which I most of the times also fold.

Next to that I also saw belguwhale talking about raising a-8 against tight player's in the blinds on the button is not smart. Although it can pick you up the blinds I have to agree here. I think suited connectors are very nice also to play in late position and steal the blinds with. Curious about what you guys think of these subjects.

Last edited by Fortunaa; 04-30-2013 at 02:36 PM.
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04-30-2013 , 03:37 PM
Really depends on the villain in the flopped set situation and positioning. Generally if fishes check to me on that dry board, I might check and let them hit a piece or try to bluff turn. Against regs, check raise on flop seems too strong but it's really depends on other players stats/history and positioning.
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04-30-2013 , 05:13 PM
Fortunaa, that post is basically a head splurge. You're asking so many questions and they're all so general no one can answer them usefully as usually the answer is 'it depends'

At 5nl Zoom get good at betting for value and don't expect fish to fold. Not much harder than that tbh so don't get fancy
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04-30-2013 , 09:10 PM
Where does BalugaWhale say the A8 thing? A8 is a fistpump-value-open on the BTN regardless of who's in the blinds, I'm always opening A8s in the CO and sometimes A8o. With bad players in the blinds, I'll open A8s MP or UTG too.
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04-30-2013 , 09:50 PM
The first or second video in the series "the Coaching tree' season 1
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05-01-2013 , 06:38 AM
Why does video maker have such an annoying nasal voice?
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05-01-2013 , 07:32 AM
hi guys, what would be a decent winrate for zoom nl5 and nl10?
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05-01-2013 , 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Bragarg
hi guys, what would be a decent winrate for zoom nl5 and nl10?
Decent? Anything greater than BE post-rakeback.
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05-01-2013 , 11:47 AM
where's chad?
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05-01-2013 , 11:50 AM
Finally Done School! Time to grind again and make that $$$$. I tried to follow this thread while i was gone but it is so boring without me, i just couldnt do it. GL all, except vs me.
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05-01-2013 , 04:59 PM
yo 50nl



im game whenever
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05-01-2013 , 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by JesusEatsCheese
yo 50nl



im game whenever
I can play tommorrow
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05-01-2013 , 07:14 PM
cool, ill be able to play from 8pm gmt till like 1am
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05-02-2013 , 11:18 AM
H1: Pretty standard I guess? No reads (assumed donk)

    Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #17287401

    Hero (BTN): $5.07 (101.4 bb)
    SB: $6.04 (120.8 bb)
    BB: $5.80 (116 bb)
    UTG: $4.44 (88.8 bb)
    MP: $3.48 (69.6 bb)
    CO: $5.30 (106 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with 6 A
    2 folds, CO raises to $0.15, Hero calls $0.15, SB calls $0.13, BB folds

    Flop: ($0.50) A 7 3 (3 players)
    SB checks, CO bets $0.35, Hero calls $0.35, SB raises to $5.89 and is all-in, CO folds, Hero calls $4.57 and is all-in



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    H2: Shove river? Villain is 30/26/12 over ~50 or so hands

      Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #17287411

      Hero (BTN): $6.78 (135.6 bb)
      SB: $8.68 (173.6 bb)
      BB: $10.84 (216.8 bb)
      UTG: $8.28 (165.6 bb)
      MP: $8.96 (179.2 bb)
      CO: $5.72 (114.4 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with Q J
      UTG folds, MP raises to $0.15, CO folds, Hero raises to $0.48, 2 folds, MP calls $0.33

      Flop: ($1.03) 6 5 9 (2 players)
      MP checks, Hero bets $0.60, MP calls $0.60

      Turn: ($2.23) T (2 players)
      MP checks, Hero bets $1.75, MP calls $1.75

      River: ($5.73) T (2 players)
      MP checks, Hero ???




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      05-02-2013 , 12:02 PM
      H1, 3bet pre? If u do a leakfinder you'll prob find calling this kind of hand even ip is losing you money

      H2 call pre, check back river you're not getting anything to fold on that brick
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      05-02-2013 , 12:09 PM
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      Originally Posted by Dunna100
      H1, 3bet pre? If u do a leakfinder you'll prob find calling this kind of hand even ip is losing you money
      Although I didn't have a solid read, I had the SB tagged as a fish. Didn't want to blow him out of the pot by isolating.

      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Dunna100
      H2 call pre, check back river you're not getting anything to fold on that brick
      Ok.

      Thanks for the advice
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      05-02-2013 , 12:27 PM
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      Originally Posted by birdayy
      Although I didn't have a solid read, I had the SB tagged as a fish. Didn't want to blow him out of the pot by isolating.
      With a stronger hand, yeah of course, but you've essentially got a weak ace. I'd rather play it HU IP personally (if at all) as there ain't many aces fishy is calling that you have beat.

      Keep fish to your right, much easier
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      05-02-2013 , 12:29 PM
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      Originally Posted by andymc1
      where's chad?
      He realized this online poker stuff is a dead end dream and jumped ship.

      No clue though really.
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      05-02-2013 , 12:36 PM
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      Originally Posted by Kralex
      He realized this online poker stuff is a dead end dream and jumped ship.

      No clue though really.
      he's posting around BQ, just not so much ITT afaik.
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      05-02-2013 , 12:40 PM
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      Originally Posted by Dunna100
      With a stronger hand, yeah of course, but you've essentially got a weak ace. I'd rather play it HU IP personally (if at all) as there ain't many aces fishy is calling that you have beat.
      Yeah true. Will try and 3b or fold more with hands like that.

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      Originally Posted by Dunna100
      Keep fish to your right, much easier
      That's one of the problems with Zoom

      Also, regarding QJs 3bet; isn't it a good hand to depolarize my range for value? Maybe it's a bit thin, even if he is laggy.

      ...or maybe i'm an idiot for thinking of this at 5nl

      Last edited by birdayy; 05-02-2013 at 12:49 PM.
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      05-02-2013 , 12:59 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by birdayy
      Yeah true. Will try and 3b or fold more with hands like that.



      That's one of the problems with Zoom

      Also, regarding QJs 3bet; isn't it a good hand to depolarize my range for value? Maybe it's a bit thin, even if he is laggy.

      ...or maybe i'm an idiot for thinking of this at 5nl
      Didn't realise it was Zoom, I thought that came up in the HH but didn't see it?

      50 hands is a pretty small sample, especially when it comes to 3betting. I'd also say you won't get many good LAGs at 5nl so hard to know what he'll call u with PF there.

      In my experience at 5nl, LAGs are actually spewtards or complete NITs postflop. Either way, IP QJs plays well. Against a wider opening range hero should polarise 3bets as villains may call lighter with Ax and Kx hands, which obv ur still behind.

      Merge ur 3betting range vs loose passive fish who will call with T8o etc

      Ur not an idiot to think of this, just maybe brush up on which spots you need to take which approach in, and most importantly understand why.
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      05-02-2013 , 01:09 PM
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      Originally Posted by JesusEatsCheese
      cool, ill be able to play from 8pm gmt till like 1am
      I dont know what time that is but i am ready now
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      05-02-2013 , 01:10 PM
      2 hours to go
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      05-02-2013 , 01:13 PM
      Okay i usually eat around 3-4pm (so in like 2 hours) but we will see what time he gets on at
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      05-02-2013 , 01:28 PM
      Lol, sorry Birdayy, thought I was in the goals thread. Obviously the hands you posted would be Zoom in the Zoom thread lol
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