First post here, please be gentle.
Still trying to learn Poker and I have alot to learn still. Did I do the right thing here? UTG+2 was the only one I was concerned with both the others had been like 60-70% of the flops and calling with anything. I did think UTG+2 had K+K so I figured I had like 20-30% winning.
I figured with the pot being so high I had decent odds?


Full Tilt Poker $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN: $1.97
SB: $4.03
BB: $1.10
UTG: $1.90
Hero (UTG+1): $2.09
UTG+2: $5.32
MP1: $4.83
MP2: $1.77
CO: $2.65

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is UTG+1 with 4 A
1 fold, Hero calls $0.02, UTG+2 raises to $0.08, 4 folds, SB raises to $0.14, BB calls $0.12, Hero calls $0.12, UTG+2 raises to $5.32 all in, SB calls $3.89 all in, BB calls $0.96 all in, Hero calls $1.95 all in

Flop: ($11.25) 5 6 9

Turn: ($11.25) A

River: ($11.25) 4

Your first mistake was limping. Then calling, then calling again. You didn't have pot odds and especially in an all-in multiway pot, you'd have such a small chance of winning. Are you sure your read of KK was a read from ranges or just a lucky shot? Even so, even if you hit an ace, you'd probably be outkicked. And if he had AA you'd be drawing just about dead.

In early position UTG+1, I'd just fold the A4s. It's not a strong enough hand to play in early position unless the table is tight enough and you can play post-flop well.

Wow, no, just no.

Fold every single time it is your turn.


Try going through this (is geared toward 6max but should be helpful) ... 3rd post down:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/32...thread-340027/

I'll try to be gentle, but it's going to be hard that hand was awful.

First thing, fold preflop. Playing A4s out of position isn't going to be fun.

Second thing, fold to the raise and the 3bet. No way you are ahead here, and on the unlikely chance that you are you will be playing oop and will have terrible reverse implied odds.

Third thing, fold after the 4bet.

Fourth thing, there is absolutely no reason to think that UTG+2 has only KK. Where did this read come from that he had KK? What does he do differently with AA QQ and AK? You should work on assigning opponents a range of hands based on position, their preflop tendencies and the action before them.

Fifth thing, just because two of the people were seeing 60-70% of flops doesn't mean they are calling, then calling, then calling again or whatever. There's still 30-40% of the time that they fold, and I'd guess that's when they can't just limp/call and are facing lots of action like here so don't expect their ranges to be 60-70% and using these stats to justify your call is just not good.

Against KK, and 2 60% ranges you have ~23% equity. You have to call $1.95 to win $5.28 so you have 2.7:1 odds. So you don't have odds to call, fold. And if this is against a more realistic range and not a psychic read (QQ+ AK, and villains have 20% range) then you only have about ~19% equity.

To be perfectly honest, that was an awful play.

Like everyone else said, fold any chance it was your turn.

While you were ahead (barely) of garbage like 10j or 5K, you were a big loser to KK, and with more people in the pot, all that I can really say is that you sucked out. With people 3-4 betting ESPECIALLY at 0.01/0.02 blinds, you can all but be guaranteed people are playing at the very least Ace-Face card, or at the very most, Face-Card pocket pairs.

Wow just wow, that's the definition of a bad call.

95% of me thinks this is a level.

The other 5% hopes I play against you

Thanks guys. I appriciate your honest answers.

To my defence I recently started playing, and im still below 1.5k played hands. Im here to learn and im doing it at a slow but steady pace. My read on KK was that the last two times he went All-in with AA in the beginning (I did not play in those hands). Of course not an 100% read...and probably from your perspective not even an read to consider?
Normaly I play pretty tight. And I can really see why I should not have called that raise. Is limping really that bad at this limit with some speculative hands? Normaly most hands that I play I raise to about 0.06.

I got lucky and I wont do the same mistake next time. Thanks again.

Hey Shakula, the advice is welcome. If you keep posting and maintain a good attitude then no matter how good/bad/noobie the questions people will keep giving you helpful feedback to try help you get better. Important thing to do is keep a good attitude (which you are, just seems a lot of people don't lately )

First off welcome to the forums, admitting that you have a lot to learn and accepting that it is going to take time is a big first step to become a good player! I still wouldn't use that as a read and narrow it right down to KK, he could still have AK QQ JJ etc, and those situations could have been dependent on the situation, such as a raiser and a number of callers, or tilting after losing another hand etc.

Playing tight is good, especially in early position because you are often going to be playing out of position against multiple opponents so you really need a good hand, and A4s. while looking pretty isn't a great hand in this spot.

As to limping with speculative hands, I don't really do it (I play 6max though, not sure how it works in FR but I guess its the same). I prefer to raise it, that way I can win by taking it down preflop, cbetting the flop, or making my hand. Rather than just making my hand if I limp. Speculative hands are also much better played in position when you get to exercise a bit more control of the pot, and get paid off more easily. So while it wouldn't be a bad play to limp behind a few limpers when you are in the CO/BTN it's not good to be playing it in EP.

You might want to increase your raise size to about 4bb+1bb per limped, this lets you narrow the field down a bit and make bigger pots. Or adding an extra bb when you get a premium hand, lets you get more money and the people at these stakes aren't going to notice.

gl