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07-13-2009 , 04:36 PM
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What is a smooth call?
a call meant to slowplay.

"He raised UTG and I smooth called my Aces."
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07-13-2009 , 04:38 PM
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I'm trying to find either a thread or perhaps a video from a training site regarding hud configurations/important stats for limit holdem. There seems to be a lot of information for no limit, but I can't find much for limit. Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks
Old Stoxtrader vids from Stoxpoker.

Generally the holy trio - vpip,pfr, af combined with c/r flop%, defend BB%, steal %, wtsd, cbet%, and 3bang%. Fold to cbet/turn bareel is also nice

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07-13-2009 , 04:44 PM
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What's the difference between a good 25/50 NL regular and players like Ivey, Antonius, Durrrr, ziggmund etc? (Except for bankrollsize ofcourse)
You'll get better answers else where
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07-13-2009 , 07:46 PM
Dan Harrington in talking about zones states that u are in RED ZONE with M 1-5 and in ORANGE ZONE when your M is 6-10. But in what zone i am if my M is 5.35 or 5.65. Please help!
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07-14-2009 , 06:41 AM
they're not meant to be exact black and white cutoff points, just guidelines. to suddenly switch from one mode to another if you, say, get your big blind stolen is a bit crazy. take some elements of both.
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07-14-2009 , 12:59 PM
Hi all,

Massively new to the world of online poker, as far as wanting to play it seriously. I've played a bit very very sporadically and further than understanding hand rank I'm pretty much a massive noob otherwise. So here is my dumb question.

When talking about BR management, if you say for instance to buy-in for 5% of your BR, is that per table, or in total across however many tables you might be playing?

Cheers,

Rob
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07-14-2009 , 01:11 PM
I think this probably belongs here simply because I don't know if it belongs anywhere else.

I just changed sites, have just started playing, and just did a quick analysis on my new rake/rakeback deals.

The general consensus always seems to be that, for the purposes of variance, you should probably play around 10K hands before you start doing any real statistical analysis on your play. I don't want to analyze my play (yet), I want to analyze how much I'll be paying on the average for rake. After how many hands do you think I can come up with a fair bb/100 for rake paid? I would think it would normalize much faster since you can see the average pot size and the rake paid for every single hand whether you played it or not, but am not sure that's sound mathematical thinking.

I have a concern that I'm going to essentially be totally rake owned, so am looking for feedback here as to the best way to figure out "can I beat this rake" using statistical data based on how much I am paying in rake over x hands...
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07-14-2009 , 01:55 PM
Rob, its 5% per table
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07-14-2009 , 02:27 PM
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I have a concern that I'm going to essentially be totally rake owned, so am looking for feedback here as to the best way to figure out "can I beat this rake" using statistical data based on how much I am paying in rake over x hands...
You should be able to at least ballpark this within a couple sessions. If you're playing at a major site (especially Stars) there's an excellent chance the math has already been done, ie; in the Internet Poker forum.
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07-14-2009 , 02:55 PM
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You should be able to at least ballpark this within a couple sessions. If you're playing at a major site (especially Stars) there's an excellent chance the math has already been done, ie; in the Internet Poker forum.
Playing at UB now (puts on flame resistant suit). Thanks I'll go look there to make sure I didn't miss it. I appreciate the help.
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07-14-2009 , 03:28 PM
Is this a good call or not? I can understand with 9-7 it might be pretty iffy. Let's say he's got A-K and he hits the K on the flop instead of the 9.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIMhxx-Obis

When is it right to call that?
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07-14-2009 , 11:33 PM
its pretty terrible

calling the flop is pretty standard though depending on how much the pot was compared to stacks. Preflop was the mistake.
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07-14-2009 , 11:45 PM
I hate tv poker because I can never tell what the stack sizes or blinds are. Must be about 2k/4k with 300k effective stacks? The 3b call is 24k with 240k behind, at the marginal end of the range where we call with a speculative hand for implied odds.

97s is a pretty good hand if you think you have a good read on your opponent. It makes strong hands that are hard to see. Also, Matusow will have position. Most of us undervalue position significantly.

Play at this level requires a LOT of deception and misdirection. It's easy to say that it's a horrible call in a $10 sng, but when Raymer's sitting across the table from you, ABC poker isn't going to get you as far.

Yikes, though, calling a 3b with a gapper? I'm not at that level . Same with calling that bet with 2nd pair. Nice read, actually.




To answer your question "when is it right to call that", I assume you mean with 2nd pair on the flop. You have to think it's very likely your opponent is bluffing or semibluffing. With a low, connected, twotone flop, Matusow is thinking Raymer probably missed. He figures there's a decent chance Raymer is cbetting two high cards or betting a draw. This is more likely because Raymer's bet is much bigger than the pot -- not the sort of bet you make when you want a call.

But this is thinking way too much for low-stakes poker that you are likely playing. Calling big bets with 2nd pair will get you in a lot of trouble, unless you have an opponent who will make aggressive moves, and you have a good read on them. For example, you need to decide whether this guy would overbet shove TT/AT/T9/JJ here. That's what Matusow is thinking about, and he decided Raymer wouldn't play those this way, but would shove a draw.

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07-15-2009 , 03:53 AM
how many entrants to this years main event? is there a november 9 like last year?
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07-15-2009 , 03:53 AM
so what is officially happening in december 2009 as far as the UIGEA? will US players no longer be able to deposit and cashout?is there a website explaining it?
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07-15-2009 , 04:11 AM
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Rob, its 5% per table
Thanks
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07-15-2009 , 05:00 AM
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so what is officially happening in december 2009 as far as the UIGEA? will US players no longer be able to deposit and cashout?is there a website explaining it?
Go sign http://www.pokerpetition.com and nothing will happen :-)
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07-15-2009 , 05:01 AM
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how many entrants to this years main event? is there a november 9 like last year?
6494.

Yes.
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07-15-2009 , 09:38 AM
ged there is 0 excuse for calling a 3bet with 97s in a non deep stacked situation.
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07-15-2009 , 12:35 PM
zero? that's too absolute for me. I'm not really saying it was a good move, I'm just trying to explain some of the thought process. He's getting 10:1 implied odds with an implied odds hand in position with what he considers a solid read on Raymer's cards. I probably fold this in a tournament (not that I'm WSOP material, lol), but I think there are reasons to call here.

this has a lot more to do with a matusow/raymer dynamic and specific reads than ABC poker. The ABC thing is fold, certainly. I'm just trying to illuminate some of the less-obvious factors.
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07-15-2009 , 02:09 PM
I'm definitely embarrased to be asking this, but I haven't ever played with a hud.

what do the numbers mean in the stats???

example: "Villain is running xx/xx/xx over xxx amount of hands"
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07-15-2009 , 03:57 PM
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zero? that's too absolute for me. I'm not really saying it was a good move, I'm just trying to explain some of the thought process. He's getting 10:1 implied odds with an implied odds hand in position with what he considers a solid read on Raymer's cards. I probably fold this in a tournament (not that I'm WSOP material, lol), but I think there are reasons to call here.

this has a lot more to do with a matusow/raymer dynamic and specific reads than ABC poker. The ABC thing is fold, certainly. I'm just trying to illuminate some of the less-obvious factors.
eh, I think you're giving too much credit to matusow. In that situation ask your self what would Durrr do? I think he would fold, and thus its an obvious fold for matusow. Ged, mat called a 3bet, and in a tourney situation where raymer shoved the flop.they must be laying between 45bb deep maximum. That call is atrocious; as mat is almost in a reverse implied odds spot in that hand given stacks ducy?
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07-15-2009 , 05:09 PM
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they must be laying between 45bb deep maximum.
this is not a good place to argue this out. but I have to respond to a few things

1) there is not only one way to play (the durrr way!)
2) you need to look at stack sizes again -- I don't think you have the facts right.
3) don't ever say ducy to people. it's rude and condescending and you're not david sklansky.
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07-15-2009 , 06:05 PM
Hi I'm new to the site and have some questions (specific to online poker). Thanks in advance if you can be helpful.

I recently opened a Full Tilt account. I've noticed that the number of players in the 5/10 & 8/16 limit games have dropped off drastically over the course of a couple months, is this shift normal? (reason I ask is I've heard recently about some accounts being frozen, didnt know if players were getting scared)

I'm located in the US, is there a concern for cashing out (specifically over 10k but either way) and the IRS getting involved? I know very little about offshore banks so I'm clueless here.


Thats really the only questions I have, but if you can add any tidbits of info you think might relate I appreciate it, thanks.
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07-15-2009 , 09:01 PM
ups

is ther anyway to get rid out moved table pop up and the 'you have finished so and so.'
not that i get the latter too much hah
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