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06-02-2009 , 01:54 PM
Is it a dumb move to "check" when I land a huge hand on the flop such as a flush or a straight? I "check" in hopes of making the others catch up so they could place their bet, while I raise. Or would it be smarter to throw in a small bet?

I really need help on betting when the community cards are thrown down! Hopefully someone can answer me or direct me to a post in which this has been answered.

Thanks!

BTW, I made a good 13 dollars in an .01/.02 NL game last night (in about 30min). I guess I found the table with the most "fish"?
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06-02-2009 , 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Joe19
Is it a dumb move to "check" when I land a huge hand on the flop such as a flush or a straight? I "check" in hopes of making the others catch up so they could place their bet, while I raise. Or would it be smarter to throw in a small bet?
FAQ: Should I Slowplay?
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06-02-2009 , 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Joe19
Is it a dumb move to "check" when I land a huge hand on the flop such as a flush or a straight? I "check" in hopes of making the others catch up so they could place their bet, while I raise. Or would it be smarter to throw in a small bet?
This is a question that really can't be answered, as it's way too general. A lot depends on what villian(s) will do, along with all the other variables that should affect your decisions. Consider what you want to accomplish and then take the line that will accomplish your goal. If villian is a calling station, bet. If villian is a maniac, check. Don't approach the game with a cookbook mentality, however at 2nl it's not a terrible thing to go ahead and bet for value regardless until you get a handle on post flop play.

Last edited by Terremoto; 06-02-2009 at 02:51 PM. Reason: Geez, I type slow... and nice barg CMAR. :)
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06-02-2009 , 03:03 PM
Thanks for the answers guys!

I guess I've been doing it too much and I should start watching my opponents more closely. I do love doing it though! That's why I'm a beginner I guess .

Thanks again!
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06-02-2009 , 03:22 PM
Yeah, slowplaying is like throwing the long bomb in football. When it works out, it makes the highlight reel but it's not a play you can rely on all that often so most teams concentrate on pounding the ball up the middle and making short, high percentage passing plays. Consistency and winning games is much more important than getting replayed on SportsCenter.


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06-02-2009 , 03:24 PM
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I guess I've been doing it too much and I should start watching my opponents more closely. I do love doing it though!
Ask yourself a couple questions for me. Does it work, or are you losing value? Or worse, are you giving free cards for villian to not only catch up, but beat your hand?

Why do you love slow playing? Is it good for your ego to be tricky and outplay your opponent? I'm not saying it doesn't feel good to outmaneuver an opponent, but just be aware of why you're doing what you're doing. I'm not being critical, just be aware of what's going on, because the goal is not to win the most pots. You don't need to answer these here, just something to think about.

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06-02-2009 , 05:00 PM
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Ask yourself a couple questions for me. Does it work, or are you losing value? Or worse, are you giving free cards for villian to not only catch up, but beat your hand?

Why do you love slow playing? Is it good for your ego to be tricky and outplay your opponent? I'm not saying it doesn't feel good to outmaneuver an opponent, but just be aware of why you're doing what you're doing. I'm not being critical, just be aware of what's going on, because the goal is not to win the most pots. You don't need to answer these here, just something to think about.
Well to be honest, the couple of times that it worked, it did make my ego feel good and I felt as though I outplayed my opponent. Remember, I am new to the online scene, so the few times that I landed a huge flop and slow played, I was successful. I'm sure as I see more hands and better competition (I am playing the lowest stakes), I might get hit in the face with my slowplaying.

BTW, the football comparison is a very good one. Helps me understand that by slow playing I'm going for the long bomb. In the end, pounding it up the middle will always lead to more consistent results.

Thanks again!
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06-02-2009 , 08:37 PM
Yeah and the thing is, sometimes when you pound it up the middle a hole opens up in the secondary and your running back breaks away for a long yardage touchdown anyway. So how many of those times your slowplay went off brilliantly would you have stacked your opponent anyway?

Meanwhile, how many downs have you wasted throwing incompletions, or worse yet back picks into coverage? Which isn't to say you give up on the long play, and you def want to keep it as an option especially to keep defenses honest. But you gotta know when to use it and not just keep throwing bombs on first down or second and short.
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06-02-2009 , 09:16 PM
2 questions about odds, if I'm holding 2 suited cards preflop, what are the odds I will make a flush? also what are the odds when holding two connectors I will make a straight.

Thanks for your help.
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06-03-2009 , 02:10 AM
So I guess once you get bad beat (twice in my case) and you start going all out with your cash, we can consider it a "tilt"?

I lost twice in SnG tourneys on the River. First time my pockets Aces lost to a QJ (3 of a kind) and the second time my suited AK lost to pocket 3's. Not really encouraging for a Beginner!

Anyways, I ended up going into a 0.10/0.25 NL cash game and I get Pocket AA's on first hand. Not thinking of the other hands, I decide to push all in (15$) and I'm called by pocket Queens and by King-Jack. I ended up taking a huge pot.

Now, I'm glad (and happy) that I made my losings and more back, but does anyone have any tips to avoid tilting in such a manner?

BTW, 0.10/0.25 was way out of my league. Luck was on my side this time I guess!

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06-03-2009 , 02:33 AM
What does "don" mean? I've seen it posted and the context leads me to believe its some kind of tournament, but I can't crack the code!
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06-03-2009 , 05:38 AM
what are the winning hands from highest to lowest???
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06-03-2009 , 06:19 AM
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what are the winning hands from highest to lowest???
are you serious?
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06-03-2009 , 06:21 AM
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what are the winning hands from highest to lowest???
http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/game...hand-rankings/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hand_rankings
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06-03-2009 , 06:57 AM
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What does "don" mean? I've seen it posted and the context leads me to believe its some kind of tournament, but I can't crack the code!
Double Or Nothing.
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06-03-2009 , 07:07 AM
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2 questions about odds, if I'm holding 2 suited cards preflop, what are the odds I will make a flush? also what are the odds when holding two connectors I will make a straight.

Thanks for your help.
You have 2 suited cards. The remaining 11 are in a 49 (DUCY?) card deck.
You have a chance of (11/50)*(10/49)*(9/48) = 0.0084 = 0.84% to flop a flush.
Flopping a flushdraw is easier: 10.9% (DUCY?).

Can you figure out the odds to flop a straight?

Help here.
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06-03-2009 , 01:42 PM
More math problems:

I hold AKo and raise 4bb, a shortstack with 20bb raises all in. Everyone else folds. How do I calculate if I should call or fold? I put him on JJ+, AJo+, AJs+

Hand 0: 55.494% { AKo }
Hand 1: 44.506% { JJ+, AJs+, AJo+ }

Pot odds=pot/what I have to call=24/16=1,5

55.494/44.506= 1.246888

Answer: 1,5>1.246888 I should call.


Question1: Is my math correct?

Question2: How would you formulate my answer? For example: "Since my pot odds are greater than my..."
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06-03-2009 , 06:01 PM
hi guys first post

i have checked these forums and was wondering people who crush live games due to them being "soft" is this due to you being dealt playable cards?
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06-03-2009 , 08:23 PM
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hi guys first post

i have checked these forums and was wondering people who crush live games due to them being "soft" is this due to you being dealt playable cards?
It's because live poker games have lots of bad players vs. comparable stakes online.

For example, 1/2 live plays like 0.05/.10 online, whereas 1/2 online would compare to 5/10 live and more likely 10/20 live.

So if you beat 200NL online, you should have no problem beating 1000NL live.

Cards don't have much to do with it and one can argue that the RNG at online sites does a better job randomizing the deck than a human dealer.
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06-03-2009 , 09:10 PM
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I hold AKo and raise 4bb, a shortstack with 20bb raises all in. Everyone else folds. How do I calculate if I should call or fold? I put him on JJ+, AJo+, AJs+

Hand 0: 55.494% { AKo }
Hand 1: 44.506% { JJ+, AJs+, AJo+ }
the math short-circuits when you are 50%+ to win. You are always getting odds to call when you are the favorite.
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06-04-2009 , 01:24 AM
"run the streets" saw this used in the high stakes thread

Anyone please tell me what they mean when they use the words "run the streets" in poker?? Have no idea :/
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06-04-2009 , 07:33 AM
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the math short-circuits when you are 50%+ to win. You are always getting odds to call when you are the favorite.
Mah I feel quit stupid now

How do I filter out blinds in PT3?
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06-04-2009 , 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by nlar027
what are the winning hands from highest to lowest???
LOL
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06-04-2009 , 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Gomery
More math problems:

I hold AKo and raise 4bb, a shortstack with 20bb raises all in. Everyone else folds. How do I calculate if I should call or fold? I put him on JJ+, AJo+, AJs+

Hand 0: 55.494% { AKo }
Hand 1: 44.506% { JJ+, AJs+, AJo+ }

Pot odds=pot/what I have to call=24/16=1,5

55.494/44.506= 1.246888

Answer: 1,5>1.246888 I should call.


Question1: Is my math correct?

Question2: How would you formulate my answer? For example: "Since my pot odds are greater than my..."
I think it's actually 27 (blinds).

This is how I do it:
16 / 27 = 0.59 => I need to be good 59% of the time
I'm actually good 55%, so it's a fold.
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06-04-2009 , 12:24 PM
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the math short-circuits when you are 50%+ to win. You are always getting odds to call when you are the favorite.
??
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