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02-10-2017 , 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Evoxgsr96
lol upswing it only has raising hand matrix(s), i'm talking about online tho and for live you can get away with playing more hands/being loose passive depending on table.
The Lab has additional ranges for the majority of spots that come up preflop.
Pokersnowie Preflop Advisor is free and can't be bad.

EDIT: 'matrices' is the word you were looking for btw

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02-12-2017 , 09:17 PM
Nothing dumb I'm just getting shafted by idiots tonight and I need to write it down!!! GAHHHHHHHHHHHH going to stop

who calls a shove on the bubble for your life with K6

ugh i'm pissed!!!

edit: and it's stupid and dumb because i'm annoyed about it, i shouldn't be results oriented but i still am

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02-16-2017 , 01:10 PM
Is it considered a donk if I open EP, BTN calls, and I lead the flop? If it's not is there a name for that beyond "leading the flop" (I want to do some reading around this area).
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02-16-2017 , 01:17 PM
No. A donk is leading into a pre-flop raiser.

What you are describing is known as a continuation bet.....assuming you raised PF and not simply limped. Don't believe that "donk" applies in a limped pot...but I could be wrong.
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02-16-2017 , 01:55 PM
Question about outs and calculating outs.

Using the rule of 4 and 2:

I have 8 outs after the flop, to get my percentage, I go 8x4=32.



Using the standard method:

I have 8 outs after the flop:

I have seen 5 cards(2 in my hand and 3 on the board).

52-5=47, there are 47 cards remaining in the deck, out of those 47 cards, there are 8 good cards and 39 bad cards.

Than to my percentage I go 39/8=4.875 and than I turn it into percentage 1/5.875=17%.

Why am I getting 32% when using the rule of 4 and 2 and 17% using the standard method:
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02-16-2017 , 02:33 PM
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No. A donk is leading into a pre-flop raiser.

What you are describing is known as a continuation bet.....assuming you raised PF and not simply limped. Don't believe that "donk" applies in a limped pot...but I could be wrong.
Ok then follow up question: Is continuation bet position agnostic? E.g. Is it also called a cbet if I raise get called by BB. After flop BB checks to me and I "cbet"?

Edit: And then there is a third permutation: Villain raises EP and I call on the BTN. EP checks to me and I bet. Am I Cbetting, donking, or neither?
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02-16-2017 , 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by parandy
Question about outs and calculating outs.

Using the rule of 4 and 2:

I have 8 outs after the flop, to get my percentage, I go 8x4=32.



Using the standard method:

I have 8 outs after the flop:

I have seen 5 cards(2 in my hand and 3 on the board).

52-5=47, there are 47 cards remaining in the deck, out of those 47 cards, there are 8 good cards and 39 bad cards.

Than to my percentage I go 39/8=4.875 and than I turn it into percentage 1/5.875=17%.

Why am I getting 32% when using the rule of 4 and 2 and 17% using the standard method:
Remember there are still two cards to come after the flop, so two chances to get your out. The calculation you made (idk if it's exactly correct) is for only one card to come (the rule of 2 is approximate for one card, and gives you 16%, equivalent to your calculation).
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02-16-2017 , 03:21 PM
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Ok then follow up question: Is continuation bet position agnostic (scratches head about the word agnostic being used in this instance)? E.g. Is it also called a cbet if I raise get called by BB. After flop BB checks to me and I "cbet"?
yes, that is a CBet (Continued aggression may be a way for you to see this as it IS a Continuation Bet)

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Edit: And then there is a third permutation: Villain raises EP and I call on the BTN. EP checks to me and I bet. Am I Cbetting, donking, or neither?
Neither. You are betting. (You are not Continuing aggression as you were passive pre-flop)
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02-16-2017 , 03:29 PM
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(scratches head about the word agnostic being used in this instance)
Lol. I work in computers where this term has a broader meaning - I actually thought this was an accepted usage in general but google disagrees.

To say "position agnostic" would mean "doesn't care either way about position".

Thanks for the clarifications though much appreciated.
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02-16-2017 , 06:35 PM
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Remember there are still two cards to come after the flop, so two chances to get your out. The calculation you made (idk if it's exactly correct) is for only one card to come (the rule of 2 is approximate for one card, and gives you 16%, equivalent to your calculation).


How do I use the standard method, when there are two cards to come?
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02-16-2017 , 06:53 PM
Well if you still want 32%, you have to see both cards. Make decisions based on amount you expect to pay (or reap) for 2 streets...instead of 1.
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02-16-2017 , 08:53 PM
Depending on how serious you become about poker, at some point you'll want to stop estimating and instead memorize your odds and outs in different situations. As one poker author put it, "If you want to make money, you have to be able to look at your hand and instantly know your odds and how many outs you have."

Anyone who has memorized their multiplication tables shouldn't have a problem with this, but if you want to estimate while you work on figuring other things out, it's not a big deal,
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02-18-2017 , 12:45 AM
When someone says "is villain going to be over-calling or over-folding here"...

Are they referring the over-calling and over-folding in relation to a nash equilibrium/GTO range/MDF or in relation to hero's perceived range.

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If villain's have better hand combos they can call here with then they are over-calling?
If villain's are calling more then MDF then they are over-calling?
If hero's range is more value-heavy then they are over-calling?
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02-18-2017 , 10:07 AM
what the heck, this is dumb questions, not indecipherable meaningless theory
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02-18-2017 , 02:32 PM
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what the heck, this is dumb questions, not indecipherable meaningless theory
So where do i post these questions then?, theory terminology in theory section?
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02-19-2017 , 07:24 AM
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So where do i post these questions then?, theory terminology in theory section?
There is a Poker Theory thread.
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02-21-2017 , 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Poker Clif
Depending on how serious you become about poker, at some point you'll want to stop estimating and instead memorize your odds and outs in different situations. As one poker author put it, "If you want to make money, you have to be able to look at your hand and instantly know your odds and how many outs you have."

Anyone who has memorized their multiplication tables shouldn't have a problem with this, but if you want to estimate while you work on figuring other things out, it's not a big deal,
FWIW I played for a living recently and I still just use that rule.
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02-23-2017 , 04:46 AM
dumb question ahoy.

I got obsessed with the game 3ish years ago. I remember it was pretty difficult to play if you lived in the states because it was illegal for banks to process the transactions or something like that. came back a year later and there was at least one network that started processing bitcoins but there were people on that network complaining about russian bots cleaning people out or something like that.

I guess my question is, what's the scene look like and what's changed over the last 3 years? easier to play and jump in or harder? more or less cheating? more fish or sharks? stuff like that.
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02-23-2017 , 05:00 AM
Sanity check on pot odds:

I have created the following sticky note on my desktop when I realised that pot odds are about ratios not actual amounts of money. I'm keeping this in view while I play to help internalise these numbers:

1/2 pot = 25%
3/4 pot = ~30%
pot = 33%
2x pot = 40%

So on the left you have the size of villains bet in relation to the pot, and on the right you have the percentage equity required to call (ignoring all other factors).

Are my numbers correct?
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02-23-2017 , 12:54 PM
Shuttlecock - read internet poker
Afterman - looks about right. Got to be aware of future streets if there's still money to bet though
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02-24-2017 , 02:21 AM
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Originally Posted by sixfour
Shuttlecock - read internet poker
Afterman - looks about right. Got to be aware of future streets if there's still money to bet though
elaborate
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02-24-2017 , 04:19 AM
read - the process of using a filter between eyes and brain to interpret words
internet poker - a forum on this site which contains words which answer your questions
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02-24-2017 , 01:21 PM
sixfour's suggestion is to read threads in the Internet Poker Forum on 2+2

My suggestion is to read threads there...plus many threads here in Beginner's Questions. You question are already answered...often.
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02-26-2017 , 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by TheAfterman
Sanity check on pot odds:

I have created the following sticky note on my desktop when I realised that pot odds are about ratios not actual amounts of money. I'm keeping this in view while I play to help internalise these numbers:

1/2 pot = 25%
3/4 pot = ~30%
pot = 33%
2x pot = 40%

So on the left you have the size of villains bet in relation to the pot, and on the right you have the percentage equity required to call (ignoring all other factors).

Are my numbers correct?
Hi may I ask how you're calculating these percentages?
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02-26-2017 , 06:23 PM
I raised UTG with pocket 10's. I get reraised by the button 6 handed. It would just be heads up if I call.

Is it standard to call most of the time here? I am assuming it is unless the raise is huge, such as an all in.

I am torn as a fold seems reasonable as well given over cards are likely to hit the board and I would be out of position the rest of the hand.

Thanks for providing a general rule of thumb for this situation for micro stakes.
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